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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    You "voting" to shift costs onto innocents so that you can advance your equal outcomes agenda is, frankly, immoral.
    LOL. The guy arguing that racial employment discrimination is a good thing is talking about morality? I don't think so.

    There are two possibilities. You can error on the side of more investigation which means some innocent companies will be out a few bucks, but more victims of discrimination will be able to get justice or you can error on the side of less investigation which means protecting companies, but hurting the victims of discrimination. You appear to be just arbitrarily saying that you favor the companies over the people. Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The freedom to discriminate is something that we all enjoy. Ask the woman who discriminates against male OB/GYNs if she like the freedom to choose her own physician. Taking away that freedom, or restricting it further, means that associations are FORCED onto people who don't want them. Why? To satisfy your ideological agenda of creating equal outcomes across society. This sounds like the reasoning behind "We need to destroy the village in order to save the village."
    To satisfy my ideological agenda? You don't think that is an awfully cavalier way to talk about anti-discrimination enforcement? We're talking about people held in abject poverty by racist assholes for no reason other than malice. Kids who are pretty much screwed from the get go by these assholes. It isn't "my ideological agenda" that says that's wrong, it's just basic morality.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The system is working as it was designed to work. This is precisely what the originators of these laws set out to stop - "No Blacks Need Apply." Now you liberals are on a complete diversity destroying bombing run and intruding deeper and deeper into affairs that government has no business involving itself in. That's the creeping road to totalitarianism - throwing people into jail because they're exercising rights to free association.
    LOL. So you don't actually want to prevent discrimination, you just want it not to be out in the open?

    What are you talking about with totalitarianism? These are individuals suing corporations... Out of those two, the corporation would be the one that has the greater potential to be totalitarian, no?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    C'mon. we need more arguments defending the status quo of structural racism, relegating minorities to increased hurdles to experience the same social mobility that non-minorities do. Go on. Please.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Yet the problem does not reside with any single company its endemic to society itself
    We don't KNOW that. This paper only looked at what happened during a short window of time in the New York City low-skilled labor market. Even there it didn't find systemic discrimination, it found that SOME companies were suspected of discriminating.

    When someone is in possession of evidence, then hand it over to the enforcers over at EEOC. Why submit every company in the nation to such oppressive oversight as would be needed to solve a minor problem detected in NYC?

    round and round we go... whats next...?
    Hey, do you think that I like that stuff that liberals do and shove down my throat? We can't always get what we want. You want some type of perfect system that meets your goals but to get that system you need to impose totalitarian mechanisms on society. Where there is evidence of overt discrimination, then that is actionable. If you suspect that covert discrimination is taking place, well there's nothing that you can do about it. You can't police people's motivations anymore than you can arrest someone for mental rape because they fantasized about having sex with someone else. A woman who doesn't want to see a male physician shouldn't be arrested for discriminating on the basis of gender. That's what free association is all about. It's a human right you know, or maybe you don't.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    You want some type of perfect system that meets your goals but to get that system you need to impose totalitarian mechanisms on society.
    Uh Oh, he realized were race traitors and totalitarians imposing that people hire blacks as equally as whites. Get the thorazine, this one KNOWS. Tell us more about your paranoia complex involving a totalitarian leftist state.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Even there it didn't find systemic discrimination, it found that SOME companies were suspected of discriminating.
    What are you talking about? It found, objectively, that the white applicants were getting 2.4 times as many interviews with the same resumes. That isn't a suspicion or whatever. That means that almost half of the companies were in fact discriminating on the basis of race. Period.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    There are two possibilities. You can error on the side of more investigation which means some innocent companies will be out a few bucks,
    It's at moments like this that I wish I was a CEO and I'd decide to relocate the corporation to a more business friendly location, like Burma or North Korea to get away from leaders like you. I'm thankful that voices like yours are extremely marginalized.

    You appear to be just arbitrarily saying that you favor the companies over the people. Why?
    I'm sorry if my points are coming across as arbitrary, I thought that it was obvious that there was a principle guiding my thinking. Liberty. Your goal of engineering outcomes comes at too high a cost of trampling on human rights. The ends do not justify the means.

    We're talking about people held in abject poverty by racist assholes for no reason other than malice.
    No one is owed a living. If you want better job conditions then agitate for the deportation of 20 million illegal aliens and stop all immigration until such time as labor shortages develop. Look back at history and see how much the lives of African Americans improved during the immigration moratorium which coincided with The Great Migration and the 2nd Great Migration. Labor scarcity has a marvelous effect on wage levels and relaxed hiring standards. You want a real solution - there it is. Take it and run with it. There is the compromise that you seek. You don't have to harm any Americans. You benefit Americans. You don't have to impose totalitarian oversight policies on innocent Americans. What's not to like?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    We understand your mode of thinking. You see if the minorities want jobs, then they should agitate to oust the illegal minorities, then they will be 'good enough'

    I thought that it was obvious that there was a principle guiding my thinking. Liberty. Your goal of engineering outcomes comes at too high a cost of trampling on human rights. The ends do not justify the means.
    The ends being some non minority doesnt get a place where a minority person would if the system were fair. Boo.. frickin.. hoo.

    You don't have to impose totalitarian oversight policies on innocent Americans. What's not to like?
    Totalitarian by balls. It's not like you have to visit the gulag for a decade... I'm sorry correcting structural racism is such a burden for you to bear by the hand of the totalitarian state.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Totalitarian by balls. It's not like you have to visit the gulag for a decade... I'm sorry correcting structural racism is such a burden for you to bear by the hand of the totalitarian state.
    Did you miss the part where teamosil noted that he advocates that people who discriminate should be thrown into jail?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    It's at moments like this that I wish I was a CEO and I'd decide to relocate the corporation to a more business friendly location, like Burma or North Korea to get away from leaders like you. I'm thankful that voices like yours are extremely marginalized.
    Business friendly? Why is bigotry-friendly the same thing as business-friendly in your mind? Bigotry is bad for business. It's inefficient.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I'm sorry if my points are coming across as arbitrary, I thought that it was obvious that there was a principle guiding my thinking. Liberty. Your goal of engineering outcomes comes at too high a cost of trampling on human rights. The ends do not justify the means.
    Human rights? Liberty? You just mean for the bigots right? The rights and liberty of the minorities you don't even consider, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    No one is owed a living. If you want better job conditions
    This isn't about better job conditions, it is about ending discrimination. And, yeah, everybody is owed a shot at the pie regardless of the color of their skin.

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    then agitate for the deportation of 20 million illegal aliens and stop all immigration until such time as labor shortages develop.
    That's a whole other debate, but you're just as wrong on that one as you are on this one... I'm sure we've debated that to death elsewhere, but if not yet, I'm sure we will.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Did you miss the part where teamosil noted that he advocates that people who discriminate should be thrown into jail?
    Sure. They're attacking others without provocation and doing far more damage to their victims than a mugger or something. They're destroying people's entire economic futures just out of malice. We shouldn't hold them accountable for what they did? Should we continue to hold other types of criminals accountable? Why the special exception for the bigots?

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