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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Every company is different, but they are all variations on the same base line and its all very structured


    Lets say, you have to rank 100 employees in a stack. Top of the stack is the highest performing employees, bottom is the lowest (dragging their ass) performing employees. So the management team gets in a huddle and spends a day creating this stack. This stack has serious implications. In any pay for performance, the top ~20% of the employees will receive raises, while the bottom 5% (sometimes up to 20% depending on business conditions) will be placed in some version of corrective action. Also lay-offs, when necessary will come from the bottom of the stack. Now after all that, you have to identify the protected classes (a black woman as an example) in the stack and redistribute the stack so you don't have any protected classes in the bottom 20% and so that they are well represented in the top 20% of the stack.


    This sort of thing goes on when determining pay, lay-offs, contract allocation, pretty much anything that has anything to do with differentiating employees or even companies bidding on a contract. It's huge and it's just the way business is done. The objective is to play it so ****ing safe that a protected class individual (or company owned by a protected class individual) doesn't have any reason to sue your company.
    Who knows, I'm sure some businesses do that, but if they do, it's moronic for lots of reasons. First off because that isn't what a protected class means. For example, "black" isn't a protected class, "race" is the protected class. Meaning you can't discriminate against anybody on the basis of their race whether they are white, black, asian, hispanic, whatever. Now, in theory, somebody could argue that a minority is more likely to win a lawsuit because juries would find it more plausible that an employer was discriminating against a black person than a white person, but if you honestly aren't discriminating it is basically impossible to lose a discrimination lawsuit. Most the times a company loses a discrimination lawsuit it is because somebody said that they were discriminating outright either to the person they targeted, to a co-worker, or in an email that was dug up during discovery. So, that doesn't seem like a reasonable approach at all and it certainly hasn't been my experience that companies do anything like that.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps that's because of the Gangsta Rap, the pants around the ass, Flash Mobbery, and the bad attitude many Blacks have. This is a problem pointed out by Bill Cosby (among many others) and, more recently, the mayor of Pittsburgh, and it reflects badly on the reputation of all Black people.

    Of course that's completely unfair but it nonetheless makes it more difficult for many in the Black community to advance when these images are so widespread. We don't get those same images of Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, etc. so they probably share the same hiring rate as Whites, if not better in many instances. That does not mean anyone likes these people more, it just means, from the employers point of view, they're likely to be less hassle. And thats what we all want.
    You are making judgments about people based on bigoted racial stereotypes.

    We do not even live in the same reality.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are making judgments about people based on bigoted racial stereotypes.

    We do not even live in the same reality.
    That's just what people do, whether we want it that way or not.

    And it's not just me pointing this out, many Black people are now doing the same.

    I'm not aware of what reality you might live in, but I'm talking the real world.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    There are lots of things that could be done. On the broadest level the most important thing we could do would be to tackle poverty in general head on. Thicker safety net, free college, better public schools, more job programs, etc. Reducing poverty indirectly reduces a lot of the factors that prop up discrimination.
    As expected, a liberal cornucopia of big government, big spending "solutions' which don't work. If Vietnamese boatpeople refugees could make it in a land that had just fought a brutal war against their communist brethren, then anyone can make it, so screw the thicker safety net which just increases dependency. Free college is a worthless gesture because the returns to education, when we control for cognition, are minimal. Employers are not paying for an applicant's skill level in analyzing the hegemonic oppression of race in rural New Mexico, circa 1955, nor are they paying for any of the other "skills" learned in Wymyn's Studies, Afro-American studies, Art History, sociology, etc. Better public schools - you want those then you have to be prepared to give in order to receive. I'd go for a uniform state grant to every child in the state and the elimination of local funding of schools so long as we implement a total charter system. Every student gets the same money and every student can apply to any school that they wish and any school can accept or reject the students that apply. Here you have eliminated all government variation in how much schools spend per student. Every school gets the same amount of money from State Government. They can supplement by charging parents for the difference. As for jobs programs, they're mostly useless.

    If you want to achieve your goals you're never going to get buy in from the rest of society when you package them up with big government delivery systems. You need to marry your goals to conservative delivery systems. Liberals comprise only 20% of the electorate compared to 40% for conservatives. You're not going to get everything you want. Find ways to achieve the same goals without traveling down the socialist road. This advice also applies to environmentalists and their big government schemes.

    For employment discrimination directly, there are two tools for fighting it- discrimination suits and affirmative action. For discrimination suits a few things would help. First, reduce the pleading standards.
    **** That. This is exactly the tack that the Brits took with the issue of there not being enough rape convictions. The set out to reduce the evidenciary standards needed to secure a conviction. You're not going to get any buy-in with your jack-boot stomping on freedom and liberty. You've already gutted the Constitution on the issue of free association, so now that we've seen how anti-liberty your vision is, I can't imagine that people will allow you to erode even more liberty.

    At present you basically need to be able to prove that discrimination occurred before you can even pass the pleading stage, so you can't do discovery.
    That's too bad, but designing equal outcomes is just not worth upending legal standards. If people are not overtly discriminating, then you're left with the SUGGESTION that there is covert discrimination taking place. Targeting innocent people based on suggestions is too intrusive of a tactic.

    Third, in my opinion, the individual who discriminated should face jail time, not just a criminal fine or civil damages from the employer.
    That doesn't surprise me at all. You play right into the jackbooted leftist authoritarian stereotype. I'd love to see you explaining to women that they are being arrested for discriminating against male OB/GYNs because they prefer having female OB/GYNs looking at their private parts. Discrimination on the basis of gender, right?

    Instead, first, I would push for more extensive review of the explanations employers give.
    Are you trying to send even more jobs overseas? Now employers have to justify why they hired the people they hired and this to someone like you working in a government overseer's office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's just what people do, whether we want it that way or not.

    And it's not just me pointing this out, many Black people are now doing the same.

    I'm not aware of what reality you might live in, but I'm talking the real world.
    Thank you for admitting your own shortcomings. It does not excuse them and I hope you work to overcome them and conquer them.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps that's because of the Gangsta Rap, the pants around the ass, Flash Mobbery, and the bad attitude many Blacks have. This is a problem pointed out by Bill Cosby (among many others) and, more recently, the mayor of Pittsburgh, and it reflects badly on the reputation of all Black people.

    Of course that's completely unfair but it nonetheless makes it more difficult for many in the Black community to advance when these images are so widespread. We don't get those same images of Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, etc. so they probably share the same hiring rate as Whites, if not better in many instances. That does not mean anyone likes these people more, it just means, from the employers point of view, they're likely to be less hassle. And thats what we all want.
    Being black, I suppose that makes me an Uncle Tom for agreeing. Also, I hate the ghetto behavior and the degradation of women.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Thank you for admitting your own shortcomings. It does not excuse them and I hope you work to overcome them and conquer them.
    Here's another man who's pointing to shortcomings and trying to conquer them.

    Mayor Nutter Strongly Condemns Mob Attacks - YouTube

    And here's a woman.

    Getting Over Race - Magazine - The Atlantic

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here's another man who's pointing to shortcomings and trying to conquer them.

    Mayor Nutter Strongly Condemns Mob Attacks - YouTube

    And here's a woman.

    Getting Over Race - Magazine - The Atlantic
    So do you hate black people, or just the gangsta/Wangsta sub culture?

    Since I'd remind you the degradation of woman, the "Pants around the ass" and all that is not exclusive to black people.

    But please, don't let me get in the way of your faux outrage, since there has been a hatred of every sub culture in every age going... once rockers with long permed hair were seen as the scourge of society.

    There will always be things like this and I don't like it either but I'm not one to judge...

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Being black, I suppose that makes me an Uncle Tom for agreeing. Also, I hate the ghetto behavior and the degradation of women.
    Yeah, you'll be called an Uncle Tom and me a bigoted Racist, but it seems we are both people who can rise above that kind of talk.

    Thanks.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So do you hate black people, or just the gangsta/Wangsta sub culture?

    Since I'd remind you the degradation of woman, the "Pants around the ass" and all that is not exclusive to black people.

    But please, don't let me get in the way of your faux outrage, since there has been a hatred of every sub culture in every age going... once rockers with long permed hair were seen as the scourge of society.

    There will always be things like this and I don't like it either but I'm not one to judge...
    Seems to me you're doing a fair bit of judging in this post.

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