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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's equal oppurtunity for anyone--regardless of race, or sex--with the gonads to go out and get it.

    I did it and the Libbos on this forum constantly claim that I'm stupid, so I reckon it can't be that difficult.
    So you are the standard for 300 plus million people all over the nation? Amazing!!!!!
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    It's pretty simple stuff were talking about here. This is starting to degenerate now that we've led you through the hoops with the simple logic of affirmative action. Somehow you can't afford to accept it because it must mean were calling you racist, or some other sandbox kiddie pool boo-hoo bull****.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yup, and the asian guy is more likely to get the job than the white guy, and he's also more likely to be successful at it (which is perhaps why he is more likely to get it in the first place). when folks start worrying about how the Korean Man is Holding White Folk Down, i'll at least be willing to give them credit for consistency.



    this line of reasoning is one giant "does not follow", but this is worth especially noting. even the state you bring up is not jobs but interviews.


    want to know what's really hurting blacks? single parenthood and a failed approach to education. let's focus on solving that before we worry about interview parity.
    How about a doo-rag and pants falling off your ass. Talk about creating an interviewer attitude problem.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    How exactly are you going to improve on that process? ...

    The same applies to the issue of discrimination. There is overt discrimination. The laws handle that just fine. What there is of covert discrimination is something that the law can't address. Or do you have a plan for handling covert discrimination, that is, discrimination which can't be proved?

    Let's hear your plan.
    There are lots of things that could be done. On the broadest level the most important thing we could do would be to tackle poverty in general head on. Thicker safety net, free college, better public schools, more job programs, etc. Reducing poverty indirectly reduces a lot of the factors that prop up discrimination.

    For employment discrimination directly, there are two tools for fighting it- discrimination suits and affirmative action. For discrimination suits a few things would help. First, reduce the pleading standards. At present you basically need to be able to prove that discrimination occurred before you can even pass the pleading stage, so you can't do discovery. Most often, without doing discovery you can't prove it, so its a catch-22. The standard should allow at least limited discovery on the basis of evidence that even suggests that maybe discrimination occurred. If they don't find anything during discovery, dismiss it then, not before. Second, statistical evidence of discrimination by that employer should be admissible. Third, in my opinion, the individual who discriminated should face jail time, not just a criminal fine or civil damages from the employer.

    For affirmative action, again, the goal is not ever to hire a less qualified person because of their race, and I would not suggest that we start doing that. Instead, first, I would push for more extensive review of the explanations employers give. Presently if an employer just claims that less members of the under represented group were qualified, the government just takes them at their word. IMO the EEOC should have the discretion and budget to conduct full investigations to verify that claim in the more egregious cases. For example, they could review the resumes submitted and see if the explanation is obviously false. Second, as soon as it is discovered that there was discrimination going on, fines should kick in in addition to the training requirements. Third, AA should be extended to all employers, or at least all employers over a certain size, not just those that do work for the government.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Many companies just won't deal with discipline issues that involves protected class employees. An employee who happens to have a file 2 inches thick (as an example a black female) would be "untouchable". Just forget any idea about pursuing corrective action against her.

    A white male employee in a similar situation to what she was in, would have been immediately terminated and escorted off site by security.
    So you're saying that employers discriminate against black employees because they fear lawsuits. That may be true. It still certainly doesn't make it legal or moral though, and a white employee could do exactly the same thing- sue with no case and settle. So the misunderstandings or stereotypes that may make some employers imagine that hiring a black person is legally riskier are no excuse for discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How about a doo-rag and pants falling off your ass. Talk about creating an interviewer attitude problem.
    you seem to be ignoring the findings that they cannot GET an interview as often as White applicants.

    Yeah I know- its terrible to confuse with actual facts that encroach on your self imposed belief system..
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    you seem to be ignoring the findings that they cannot GET an interview as often as White applicants.

    Yeah I know- its terrible to confuse with actual facts that encroach on your self imposed belief system..
    I wonder why that is. Oh yes, it's the employers fault.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    you seem to be ignoring the findings that they cannot GET an interview as often as White applicants.

    Yeah I know- its terrible to confuse with actual facts that encroach on your self imposed belief system..
    Perhaps that's because of the Gangsta Rap, the pants around the ass, Flash Mobbery, and the bad attitude many Blacks have. This is a problem pointed out by Bill Cosby (among many others) and, more recently, the mayor of Pittsburgh, and it reflects badly on the reputation of all Black people.

    Of course that's completely unfair but it nonetheless makes it more difficult for many in the Black community to advance when these images are so widespread. We don't get those same images of Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, etc. so they probably share the same hiring rate as Whites, if not better in many instances. That does not mean anyone likes these people more, it just means, from the employers point of view, they're likely to be less hassle. And thats what we all want.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I wonder why that is. Oh yes, it's the employers fault.
    Are you saying that employers aren't responsible for their own actions?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So you're saying that employers discriminate against black employees because they fear lawsuits. That may be true. It still certainly doesn't make it legal or moral though, and a white employee could do exactly the same thing- sue with no case and settle. So the misunderstandings or stereotypes that may make some employers imagine that hiring a black person is legally riskier are no excuse for discrimination.
    Every company is different, but they are all variations on the same base line and its all very structured


    Lets say, you have to rank 100 employees in a stack. Top of the stack is the highest performing employees, bottom is the lowest (dragging their ass) performing employees. So the management team gets in a huddle and spends a day creating this stack. This stack has serious implications. In any pay for performance, the top ~20% of the employees will receive raises, while the bottom 5% (sometimes up to 20% depending on business conditions) will be placed in some version of corrective action. Also lay-offs, when necessary will come from the bottom of the stack. Now after all that, you have to identify the protected classes (a black woman as an example) in the stack and redistribute the stack so you don't have any protected classes in the bottom 20% and so that they are well represented in the top 20% of the stack.


    This sort of thing goes on when determining pay, lay-offs, contract allocation, pretty much anything that has anything to do with differentiating employees or even companies bidding on a contract. It's huge and it's just the way business is done. The objective is to play it so ****ing safe that a protected class individual (or company owned by a protected class individual) doesn't have any reason to sue your company.

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