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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Actually, discriminating based on race is a crime which is what teamosil is referring to. That's not really debatable.
    Yeah, let's see where it's a crime. What kind of prison sentence does it carry?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As long as there are so many black people that go way out of their way to prove the stereotypes correct, it will be the responsibility of the victims to disprove that stereotype.
    To me what you're saying just sounds like some jackass saying that as long as some women dress slutty we shouldn't do anything about rape... It's beyond sick.

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    There are way more factors that effect success than just race.
    Of course there are... Not sure what weight you think that has in our debate.

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    Those people have a responsibility to themselves to advance their lives, despite any discrimination they might have faced. Sitting on the porch and boo-hooing about being black isn't the appropriate response.
    Nobody is proposing sitting around boo-hooing anything... Not sure where you get that angle from. We're talking about whether or not our society should fight against discrimination or not. You are arguing that it should not.... Right?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, let's see where it's a crime. What kind of prison sentence does it carry?
    Are you seriously debating whether discrimination is illegal? ...If you are, here's all you need to know.

    Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination: Questions And Answers

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As long as you use it as the soul excuse for fewer successful blacks than successful whites, that's how it's going to be interpreted.
    Neither I nor most liberals use that as the sole explanation for racial inequalities in work and education. This is how you wrongly interpret it often which is what I'm trying to explain to you. You should also learn the difference between an "excuse" and an "explanation". Racism is one of several explanations for racial inequalities in society. It is not an "excuse".

    The biggest problem, is the denial that racism isn't the only reason for a lack of success within the black community and anyone that points that out is automatically labled a racist.
    That's not true for many people. There may be some people who do that, but not the majority. In fact, even those who speak the most of racism - people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton - frequently talk about the problems with black culture.

    It's become such a taboo to criticize the black community, that it's impossible for the black community as a whole to take a good honest look at itself. Michael Nutter said it perfect a few weeks ago in a speech to a Philly youth group, and so long as black continue to harm their race and Libbos make it impossible for anyone to point that out, for fear of being called a racist, the statistics that are in the OP will never change.
    I agree some people are afraid to criticize "black culture" and I also agree that there are many problems within much of it that unsuccessful blacks have the power to change for themselves. Some of the biggest problems are the lack of emphasis on education, low voter turnout and low participation in government (local/state). That said, I refuse to accept the idea that liberals are the group who encourages and perpetuates the problems in black culture. While those who refuse to acknowledge problems within black culture do contribute, those conservatives who refuse to acknowledge institutional racism and discrimination contribute to the maintenance of those phenomena.

    In short, I think it's important to acknowledge, study and find solutions for both aspects: culture and racism. I only have a problem with arguments that dismiss racism and its effects as real and influential problems in our society.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Really? Can you show me criminal statutes which declare this to be so?
    You could try the Constitution first, but here you go:

    Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination: Questions And Answers

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Actually, discriminating based on race is a crime which is what teamosil is referring to. That's not really debatable.
    Many will debate that point. That's exactly what Affirmative Action does.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You could try the Constitution first, but here you go:

    Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination: Questions And Answers
    Nope. There is no mention of discrimination being a criminal act.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    To me what you're saying just sounds like some jackass saying that as long as some women dress slutty we shouldn't do anything about rape... It's beyond sick.
    What exactly is the solution to rape then? When a rape occurs you have to have reasonable suspicion to investigate. The police gather evidence. The prosecutor decides whether to indict. A judge/jury decides whether to convict.

    How exactly are you going to improve on that process?

    You're exhibiting the classic liberal reaction here - DO SOMETHING. HURRY. DO SOMETHING. DO IT NOW. DO SOMETHING.

    The same applies to the issue of discrimination. There is overt discrimination. The laws handle that just fine. What there is of covert discrimination is something that the law can't address. Or do you have a plan for handling covert discrimination, that is, discrimination which can't be proved?

    Let's hear your plan. I'm really curious about what lurks in your deepest desires on this issue. How much of everyone's freedom are you going to shred so that you can engineer your equal outcome society. Please share with us what you think should be done.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Not sure how that has anything to do with anything. Can you spell your argument out more?
    Many companies just won't deal with discipline issues that involves protected class employees. An employee who happens to have a file 2 inches thick (as an example a black female) would be "untouchable". Just forget any idea about pursuing corrective action against her.


    A white male employee in a similar situation to what she was in, would have been immediately terminated and escorted off site by security.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Nope. There is no mention of discrimination being a criminal act.
    Actually, the purpose of that entire page is to declare it a criminal act. This is seriously like debating whether or not the sky is blue. Are you from here? If not, here's an article about Abercrombie and Fitch where they had to pay $50 million in part because of discriminating based on race during the hiring process.

    The lawsuit was brought by nine young people who were either sacked or refused sales jobs allegedly on the basis of race. Anthony Ocampo, a Stanford graduate, was told he could not be hired because “there’s already too many Filipinos.”

    Abercrombie & Fitch pays $50m in racial discrimination case - Times Online

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