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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Got me, I missed that.

    Where is your data coming from anyway? What are the chances they have the exact same resume? I would guess damn near zero.
    Click the link to see the whole study. It's an experiment that Northwestern University did. Then Princeton and Brown universities repeated the whole thing from scratch with different test subjects in a different city and they got the same results. They send nearly identical teams of white and black people in to apply for jobs with resumes that are essentially identical (like one says they worked at Pizza Hut for 2 years and the other says Dominos) and they swap the resumes back and forth to eliminate any possible skew.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Bull ****

    Bull ****. What has happened is when a someone has an absolutely valid reason to exclude certain people they are forced to lower their standards to accept those they rightfully excluded before.
    Just blurting out your assumptions is not debating. The scientific studies all show that it is actually whites, not blacks, who are being hired despite being less qualified. If you have any evidence countering that, by all means, lets see it. Otherwise you lose.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    They had been accused of "engaging in recruiting and hiring practices that exclude minorities and adopting a virtually all-white marketing campaign."


    Not that you actually care.
    Again, read your own article. It talks about where that accusation comes from- the CEO's statements. I don't see anything in there about hiring statistics being used in court. If I'm just missing it, by all means, quote the relevant section here. Otherwise, just be more careful about accurately describing what your sources say in the future.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That school of thought isn't going to achieve anything, other than convincing most black people that they have no chance, the deck is stacked against and there's no point in trying, because they're screwed from the git-go.

    You're doing more damage to the black community--and the country--than racism ever could.
    So your solution is believe in the myth even if the myth has proven to be crap.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Got me, I missed that.

    Where is your data coming from anyway? What are the chances they have the exact same resume? I would guess damn near zero.
    Its amazing how you can always find a fall back position based on your own personal belief system to deny reality.

    How can you include the link to the study in your own reply and then pretend you have no idea where the data came from? I could understand this from a newbie who just came here after falling off the turnip truck but you have been around the block a few times.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Got me, I missed that.

    Where is your data coming from anyway? What are the chances they have the exact same resume? I would guess damn near zero.
    Be sure to note the debunking of that study (comment #259) here and additional information (comment #349 here.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So your solution is believe in the myth even if the myth has proven to be crap.
    What myth would you be referring to?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Again, if a white person and a black person apply for the same job with the same resume, the white person is 2.4 times more likely to get an interview. So I guess you have that backwards, eh?



    Honestly, this is just a wild eyed white supremacist rant... Obviously none of those things are remotely true.
    You're trying to blame that totally on racism and that's where you're going wrong. The black community and the do-gooders share some responsibility, as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Were going for that they dont get hired at the same rate as whites for the same qualifications. Not that they cant get ahead.
    Well, the first step in getting ahead, is getting hired. If there aren't enough black getting hired, it's totally idiotic to blame it on white employers being racist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Explain. How do you think that happens? Is this just the thing where right wingers claim that by trying to solve a problem you draw attention to it and hence make it more real? That's just a silly right wing blanket excuse for not doing anything about anything, not a real argument. Obviously black people, like everybody else, are fully aware of racial discrimination. How could they not be? They encounter it personally...
    That's exactly what you're doing.



    How about lets hold off on that discussion until a black person has the same odds of getting an interview as a white person with the exact same qualifications. Until then it is objectively broken, right?
    That sentence proves my point.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Be sure to note the debunking of that study (comment #259) here and additional information (comment #349 here.
    the debunking of the study comes from your post!?!?!?!?!? I read it and I fail to see how your comments negate that study.

    sure... whatever.
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