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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

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    "That study?" There have been a number of studies. Which study are you referring to
    You're the one that is referring to the study(ies). I don't care which one.

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    and which study called such people bigots? Link it.
    Huh? No, the studies pointed out that some people dislike diversity and care less about people who are different than them. That's what a bigot it.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    That's illegal.
    Yep. Hence the need for strict enforcement.

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    I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. The complaint was that they didn't get the interview.
    So, you have no point? Just mentioning that the study's methodology wouldn't have worked if they had been studying Wal Mart?

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    I don't believe it because as I said, that's illegal and would be very easy to prove. It's illegal. There are ramifications when this happens. Did they follow the studies up with answers as to why nobody enforced the law?
    Why would it be easy to prove? It's insanely hard to prove discrimination...

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You're the one that is referring to the study(ies). I don't care which one.
    So now you're critiquing studies that you know nothing about. Good job, Brownie.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Your tale is interesting. You fit the pattern of behavior that results from too much diversity in your environment. You're not alone. Disengagement is the expected response that researchers find as diversity increases. It's not just racial or ethnic diversity. In your case it's clearly too much ideological diversity, because people are becoming ever more tribal, that's leading to your disengagement.
    You can find reinforcement for your racist views in virtually anything, can't you?

    My advice, if you are understandably sickened by the slanted "news" on cable TV, is to watch PBS news. It's as close as you will find to an actual newscast -- facts without spin.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Yep. Hence the need for strict enforcement.
    I have no problem with that.

    So, you have no point? Just mentioning that the study's methodology wouldn't have worked if they had been studying Wal Mart?
    It doesn't work for any business of any account any more.

    Why would it be easy to prove? It's insanely hard to prove discrimination...
    Hardly if as you say that whites were called for interviews with everything being equal nearly 2 and a half times as often as blacks. How tough would that have been to have shown?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I have no problem with that.
    Ok, then what are we debating about? There are two ways you can enforce the civil rights act. Option 1 is individual lawsuits. The problem with this approach is that it is almost impossible to prove in any but the most overt situations. Almost all cases where somebody wins the defendant admitted flat out that they were discriminating. Short of that how would anybody prove what was going on in their heads? The more realistic enforcement mechanism is affirmative action. It takes a statistical approach. The way it currently works is that government contractors and government offices need to report the percentages of people from various races they hire. If their numbers are way off, they are asked to provide an explanation. Usually the explanation is that they got fewer qualified applicants from the under-represented race. There is no investigation of their explanation usually. If they can't explain it or their explanation seems to be ridiculous then they are required to take steps to address the discrimination. Usually that means conducting a training for their hiring managers encouraging them not to discriminate. In theory, if a company refuses to take any steps to address it, it can go further to the point where they would lose government contracts and face a fine. To my knowledge, that has only happened once in US history. It was a big factory that built things for the government that had an explicit policy to only hire whites and refused to eliminate the policy...

    So, not exactly strict enforcement at present. I would support strict enforcement. For example, I think we should ramp up the investigation of companies that are way out of whack with the norms for their industries and we should reduce the burden of proof for discrimination suits by allowing plaintiffs to use statistical evidence that a company has a history of not hiring members of their group. You say you don't have a problem with strict enforcement, but I suspect you aren't on board with that. Or are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It doesn't work for any business of any account any more.
    Tons of jobs people apply by dropping off an application or resume. But regardless, I don't see how submitting it online would change anything, it would just mean they would be discriminated against in the interview instead of before the interview, but that doesn't help anybody. Maybe it would make it harder to study...

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Hardly if as you say that whites were called for interviews with everything being equal nearly 2 and a half times as often as blacks. How tough would that have been to have shown?
    In order to win a discrimination suit you need to prove that the individual who didn't hire you did it because of your race. If they just made a dumb decision or something, that isn't illegal. And, generally, you can't introduce statistics about past hiring tendencies. That's considered prejudicial and usually it is not allowed.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    My advice, if you are understandably sickened by the slanted "news" on cable TV, is to watch PBS news. It's as close as you will find to an actual newscast -- facts without spin.
    PBS is a basket case of bias, no better than NPR. Fox News is the least biased network on the air.


    As for Dunn's complaint about Fox News' coverage of the Obama campaign, a study by the Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Similarly, 40 percent of Fox News' stories on Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, were negative.

    On CNN, by contrast, there was a 22-point disparity in the percentage of negative stories on Obama (39 percent) and McCain (61 percent). The disparity was even greater at MSNBC, according to Pew, where just 14 percent of Obama stories were negative, compared to a whopping 73 percent of McCain stories—a spread of 59 points.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

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    I agree that Blacks were at a disadvantage but Latinos? How so? Latinos at one time controlled much of what is the USA and they still have Mexico , Central America and South America. How are they at a disadvantage?
    Blacks dont have a disadvantage either lol, they have africa .
    Of course it can't, and your statements verify that.
    Instead of trying to make sense of the senseless I will just say, yeah it's called racism, they don't know why it's still around.

    What bias? Show where there is race based bias?
    It's actually why we have to make up for their lack of being hired, you see... the government didnt just make this up for no reason to oppress you so you could feel like a victim.

    There are certainly problems in some Communities, Black, White and Latino, but that is more a cultural problem rather than anything race driven.
    Part of not having access to jobs is a problem that perpetuates their 'cultural' issue. =\

    Nonsense. There have been many examples where people have gotten along despite racial differences.
    That doesn't address what I said. They don't get hired at the same rates having the same qualifications...

    So employers should hire incompetent people to meet government quotas? Do you have any idea yet why businesses are moving out of the United States?
    Who said incompetent, I dont think your debating but attempting to scratch at anything that could be construed as an argument.

    Are you still a racist after 45 years? Are those still the conditions in your State?
    Quack quack... you miss the point.





    Shall I spell it out for everyone plan and simple.

    There is an unexplained structural deficiency on the hiring of qualified minority members, it is being made up. I don't see whats so hard about this. I know racism is likely a shameful part of Americas past, but I don't see why you have to turn a blind eye to the fact its remnants are still around. Nobody is being an overt racist an not hiring. The people who dont hire blacks are likely not aware that they are contributing and prepetuating the problem.

    And somehow creating racist organizations are? Now yes, why do we create laws if we have absolutely no intention of enforceing them? (I'm just argueing this, we do enforce them).
    Do you not have to enforce these other "solutions"? Why would you not support legally enforcing our laws? Or is it really not about racism?
    I can tell you really think youre getting somewhere with this, you're not. If 150 million of 300 million are minority, do you seriously expect that if 10% of them who dont even get past an interview would actually have a case against someone who isnt an outright racist who tends to hire a lower ratio of minorities out of his selection of candidates subconsciously? Your solution is absurd, even if they could sue wed need to raise a dozen million more lawyers and thatd cause far more resentment if it actually played out to the degree of hiring disparity that exists.

    Today by and large one is not able to tell the race of an applicant until they get an interview.
    Jobs ask for photos... also Jacquelyn Moesha Brown-Quincy Vs. Susy Blanche Vs. Anita Santa Maria de la Gudalajara on the application may tell you something.

    Despite that- despite the fact that we are continuing to discriminate against blacks to a massive extent-
    Total bull****.
    It is, they're conforming quite nicely to our societal norms nowadays.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    PBS is a basket case of bias, no better than NPR. Fox News is the least biased network on the air.


    As for Dunn's complaint about Fox News' coverage of the Obama campaign, a study by the Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Similarly, 40 percent of Fox News' stories on Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, were negative.

    On CNN, by contrast, there was a 22-point disparity in the percentage of negative stories on Obama (39 percent) and McCain (61 percent). The disparity was even greater at MSNBC, according to Pew, where just 14 percent of Obama stories were negative, compared to a whopping 73 percent of McCain stories—a spread of 59 points.
    You need to try college again... Firstly thats a measure of whitehouse coverage lean... for a brief period of time. Secondly, Fox is literally in bed with republicans, several of whom have worked for fox news. Who the **** are you kidding? Create an index of bias across multiple studies for multiple networks analysing the source references of the networks and language analysis when referring to candidates. If youre willing to do something actually useful with your time than give us snippets of us news... god.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    PBS is a basket case of bias, no better than NPR. Fox News is the least biased network on the air.


    As for Dunn's complaint about Fox News' coverage of the Obama campaign, a study by the Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Similarly, 40 percent of Fox News' stories on Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, were negative.

    On CNN, by contrast, there was a 22-point disparity in the percentage of negative stories on Obama (39 percent) and McCain (61 percent). The disparity was even greater at MSNBC, according to Pew, where just 14 percent of Obama stories were negative, compared to a whopping 73 percent of McCain stories—a spread of 59 points.
    You've got to be joking. Fox is so far out on the right wing it flies in circles.

    "Dr. Tim Groseclose, a professor of political science and economics at UCLA, has evaluated various media programs based on think tank citations to map liberal verses conservative slants. He has said that, based on his research, PBS NewsHour is the most centrist news program on television and the closest to a truly objective stance."

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