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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    On balance is the job market biased in favor of blacks, against blacks, or neutral towards blacks?
    Just one point....

    When a person is given an office or position higher than the skills and experience merit, simply because of the gender, race or some other political factor, it does a disservice not only to the office and the constituents who depend on the person to do a good job. It is also a disservice to the individual because it sets them up for a failure. And that failure will have a backlash against all members of their group, race, gender, etc.

    What will be the effect on Black politicians and political hopes, Obama - the dismal failure? How well received will be the next Black candidate, even if he actually has the experience and skills to do the job? He/she'll have to overcome the legacy left by their predecessor and that could take decades.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    On balance is the job market biased in favor of blacks, against blacks, or neutral towards blacks?
    None of the above. There are people who won't hire a person because he is black; there are people that will hire a person because he is black; there are people that will hire a black person because he is qualified.

    Ultimately, it's up to that black person to keep his job. If he acts like an asshole at work, then he's going to be treated like an asshole at work.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Just one point....

    When a person is given an office or position higher than the skills and experience merit, simply because of the gender, race or some other political factor, it does a disservice not only to the office and the constituents who depend on the person to do a good job. It is also a disservice to the individual because it sets them up for a failure. And that failure will have a backlash against all members of their group, race, gender, etc.

    What will be the effect on Black politicians and political hopes, Obama - the dismal failure? How well received will be the next Black candidate, even if he actually has the experience and skills to do the job? He/she'll have to overcome the legacy left by their predecessor and that could take decades.
    Look at Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters and Bobby Rush. Those retards think Castro is a great guy. Or, Charlie Rangel and William Jefferson; they're ****ing crooks. People like that make us look like idiots.

    With those clowns in Congress, it's no surprise that racism exists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Just one point....

    When a person is given an office or position higher than the skills and experience merit, simply because of the gender, race or some other political factor, it does a disservice not only to the office and the constituents who depend on the person to do a good job. It is also a disservice to the individual because it sets them up for a failure. And that failure will have a backlash against all members of their group, race, gender, etc.
    It is illegal to give a less qualified person a job because of their race. In the small number of jobs where AA applies (government contractors and government jobs) all it says is that if the organization chooses to, they are permitted to hire an equally qualified applicant based on their race.

    Besides, in the economy as a whole whites are the ones getting jobs they're less qualified for. If a white person and black person apply for the same job with exactly the same resume, the white person gets the interview 2.4 times more often. Your analysis seems to be predicated on the assumption that it is the other way around, which is objectively false. So if this were an issue, it would be an issue that whites are getting jobs they aren't ready for, not blacks...

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What will be the effect on Black politicians and political hopes, Obama - the dismal failure? How well received will be the next Black candidate, even if he actually has the experience and skills to do the job? He/she'll have to overcome the legacy left by their predecessor and that could take decades.
    Bush ended his second term with an approval rating about 20% below where Obama is currently, so if you consider Obama a "dismal failure", then Bush must have been an incredibly massive mega failure with a cherry on top, right? Are you concerned that people will be unwilling to vote for another white candidate in the future because of his failure?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Look at Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters and Bobby Rush. Those retards think Castro is a great guy. Or, Charlie Rangel and William Jefferson; they're ****ing crooks. People like that make us look like idiots.

    With those clowns in Congress, it's no surprise that racism exists.
    Can't Rangel be a crook and an idiot without pointing out the fact he's black...

    Doesn't really matter to me what the colour of his skin is... more the content of his character.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    None of the above. There are people who won't hire a person because he is black; there are people that will hire a person because he is black; there are people that will hire a black person because he is qualified.

    Ultimately, it's up to that black person to keep his job. If he acts like an asshole at work, then he's going to be treated like an asshole at work.
    Again, overall, is the job market biased in favor of blacks, against blacks, or neutral on race?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I spend plenty of time focusing on the rich/poor gap generally. Probably more time than I spend focusing on the racial economic inequality issue. But 7%? On average? For an entire race? That's a HUUUUGE issue. White kids are born, on average, into a household with 14 times as much wealth. No way we can just ignore that like nothing happened. Not when it is combined with the massive and ongoing racial employment discrimination.
    That's not society's problem to fix. The evidence shows that there is no wage discrimination taking place when intelligence is controlled for. Wealth is accumulated by spending less that one earns and either saving or investing that capital. If black families are spending more and saving/investing less, then that's not society's fault.

    Compare African American incomes to those of Vietnamese Americans. The Vietnamese came here penniless, many of them were boat people, they lived in refugee camps after the fall of Vietnam, they arrived here at a time when many people, especially veterans, had hard feelings about the war and the lives that were lost to the Vietnamese communists, they didn't speak the language, and many were suffering from severe trauma from being run out of their country, from witnessing war their entire lives, from suffering the depredations of being a refugee. Far, far worse than what African Americans have to face in a land where they are given preferences in various aspects of life, where they know the language, where people are eager to help them, etc.

    Vietnamese
    Household Income (1999) = $45,805
    American Household Income (1999) = $41,994
    African American Household Income (1999) = $29,423

    The playing field is leveled. That's good enough. Everyone has equal opportunity. Quit crying.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Isn't about time we moved past such vile, angry bull****?

    Oh wait, I can't say that about the esteemed Rep. Carson, to criticize him, since I am a white male and tea partier, is racist.

    Just reading that filthy dung heaps rant makes my stomach churn in disgust.
    There are plenty of valid reasons to be appalled by the tea party. It seems a little crazy to me to focus on the trumped up reasons.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Can't Rangel be a crook and an idiot without pointing out the fact he's black...

    Doesn't really matter to me what the colour of his skin is... more the content of his character.
    Except when it comes to criticizing a black person's behavior; then, it's racism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Again, overall, is the job market biased in favor of blacks, against blacks, or neutral on race?
    None of the above, as I said already.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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