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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It was Northern legislators from both political parties and President LBJ who pushed for it to get the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed.

    "In late November 1963 the assassination of John F. Kennedy changed the political situation. The new president, Lyndon Johnson, utilized his experience in legislative politics and the bully pulpit he wielded as president in support of the bill. In his first address to Congress on November 27, 1963, Johnson told the legislators, "No memorial oration or eulogy could more eloquently honor President Kennedy's memory than the earliest possible passage of the civil rights bill for which he fought so long."


    Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Johnson and passage Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    By party and region

    Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

    The original House version:

    Southern Democrats: 787 (7%93%)
    Southern Republicans: 010 (0%100%)
    Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%6%)
    Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%15%)
    The Senate version:

    Southern Democrats: 120 (5%95%)
    Southern Republicans: 01 (0%100%)
    Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%2%)
    Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%16%)
    They had to figure out some way to insure that all those black folks would vote Democrat. It's why they created Section 5, so they could guarantee that there would be black members in Congress.

    There's nothing more awesome than plantation voting districts.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I still don't understand this arguement nor the need for it. Let's say there were elements of racism 45 years ago. Nobody will deny there was. How does that make racism somehow O.K. today? Especially by those in Congress yelling "racism" the loudest? How is it that we can accept this unless it's really not about racism?
    Because sometimes, racism is cool; according to the Leftists.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The vote was on North/South lines -- not party lines. But it was Johnson's pro-civil-rights stand, and Goldwater's anti-civil-rights stand that pushed the Southern Democrats into the Republican party.
    Gee whiz! Where was Johnson from?
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    We should look up some white brotherhood sites. Something just gives me the idea we're going to hear some very similar arguments against the 'real racists'. It just blows my mind.
    Well, whatcha waitin' for? Post a link.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It's not about whether or not he fits into any stereotype. It is a question of how he could be completely oblivious to things that are part of every day life for every black person in the country... The reality is that people fabricate identities for online forums sometimes, so I don't automatically assume people are what they say they are. Who knows, he could really be black. But it seems like a longshot to me given that he appears to be under the impression that racial discrimination doesn't exist. If somebody on here claims to be from San Francisco, but then they make a series of impassioned posts about how earthquakes are a myth, I'll know they aren't from San Francisco too.
    It's one of two things: 1) I'm not the one oblivious to reality, or 2) I just think like you think a black dude in the south should think.

    he appears to be under the impression that racial discrimination doesn't exist.
    Neeeeeeeever said that it doesn't exist. Wanna try again at having an actual conversation, or are you going to keep assuming that I don't think, "black enough", to suit your stereotype of black people?

    You never once asked me if I have been discriminated against. Wanna back up a step, or two and see where the conversation goes? Probably not, huh?
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The post that I was reacting to was this one:



    Later though he did say that racial discrimination will always exist or something to that effect. Perhaps he just misspoke the first time, I don't know.
    I didn't mis-speak. It's that you don't have a clue about what I was saying. Do you think you've never been discriminated against? If you do, then you need to wake up and smell the coffee.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, don't be stupid. The south, which was predominantly democratic, has over the years become predominantly republican. And it was primarily southern legislators who opposed the civil rights act. Ergo....
    Only in the last few years has the South stopped being dominated by Democrats.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? Of course there are victims. Families that don't have enough to eat. Kids who have to drop out of school to work to support their siblings. Lives destroyed. The average black household has less than 7% as much wealth as the average white household. No victims? What the hell are you talking about?
    There is greater income variation within the black community than there is between the black and white demographics. Why are you focusing on the smaller variance and ignoring the larger income variance?

    No really a huge shocker. The vast majority of people we let into the US from Africa get in either on employer visas or through demonstrating that they have valuable skills. No shocker a sample that is hand picked beats a random sample.
    Hundreds of thousands of black immigrants are "hand picked" are they? Colin Powell, the child of Jamaican immigrants was hand picked I suppose.


    While about 8 percent, or about 530, of Harvard's undergraduates were black, Lani Guinier, a Harvard law professor, and Henry Louis Gates Jr., the chairman of Harvard's African and African-American studies department, pointed out that the majority of them perhaps as many as two-thirds were West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I didn't mis-speak. It's that you don't have a clue about what I was saying. Do you think you've never been discriminated against? If you do, then you need to wake up and smell the coffee.
    On balance is the job market biased in favor of blacks, against blacks, or neutral towards blacks?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    There is greater income variation within the black community than there is between the black and white demographics. Why are you focusing on the smaller variance and ignoring the larger income variance?
    I spend plenty of time focusing on the rich/poor gap generally. Probably more time than I spend focusing on the racial economic inequality issue. But 7%? On average? For an entire race? That's a HUUUUGE issue. White kids are born, on average, into a household with 14 times as much wealth. No way we can just ignore that like nothing happened. Not when it is combined with the massive and ongoing racial employment discrimination.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Hundreds of thousands of black immigrants are "hand picked" are they? Colin Powell, the child of Jamaican immigrants was hand picked I suppose.
    It seems that you don't have a counter argument on this? The selection effect argument beats this claim unless you have a counter argument to it.

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