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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Look at the tighter clustering back in 1979 compared to the more dispersed results in 1999. In earlier eras, without federal discrimination law being abused by the government, employers were rewarding women for their education in a much more equitable process. Now though, black women are advantaged because when an employer hires a black woman the employer gets a bonanza - woman, black, and if she is homosexual, then the employer hits the trifecta and makes the racial and gender bean counters very happy.
    Youre not the only one on earth crunching SPSS... write a paper on it or send it to the president if it's so damned irrefutable.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    How are you going to help invalidate the stereotype by removing their class mobility?
    WHY is it that Latinos have the reputation for being more hard working, more pliable and more reliable than blacks? Where did that stereotype come from? How did it arise? How did it get such a large degree of acceptance?

    The same processes which give birth to stereotypes and help them spread can also be used to kill stereotypes and invalidate them in a broad audience.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, only that it accounts for quality better than the color of somebody's skin does. Duh.



    All you're doing here is defining racism- the idea that members of a race are inherently inferior in some way you can't quite put your figure on and which cannot be disproven by any actual information from reality...
    I agree. However, the operative word being inherent. I believe humans in each and every race have to potential to be all they can be and I believe that the color of one's skin does not lessen or enhance one's ability achieve as much as the next man by genetic design. But I do believe that cultural influences can warp the potential of any human regardless of their race.

    It's hard to say to the black man, after he has been held down for 200 years, "Okay, you're equal now. Go forth and do good," and expect him to compete on a level playing field with those of old money, education and stature. But how long does it really take to play catch up? Our black communities need a helping hand. I get it.

    But right now, our African American brothers are going through a rough time. There is rampant crime, violence, civil disobedience, and many other sociological diseases amongst their midst. Many that cannot be blamed on "whitey" anymore. (Unless, of course, Sharpton or Jackson is telling the story. In which case, everything is whitey's fault, but I digress. ) It is a problem only black folks themselves can remedy. A total collapse of the family unit.

    White people turn on the nightly news and 8 times out of ten, the crimes they see are commited by blacks folks on MLK Blvd. They turn on the cable channel with the prison documentaries, and it looks like 9 out of 10 convicts are black. The drug and bullet ridden ghettos are full of black people drinking 40's on the front porch in the middle of the day in the middle of the week.

    This is what white folks are seeing. White people are becoming afraid of blacks. Just as one might fear leaving their child with a pitt bull, because of their reputation, some white people might fear to associate with black people.

    This is a white culture thing too. I know too many black people and work with too many black people to swallow the racial hype. These are good, hard working, family people. But the white person who only makes it into town once and a while, and only sees black people at bus stops, might form their opinions on what they see on TV.

    But, make no mistake, our African American communities need to get a grip. White people should do all they can to help them too because eventually, this violence could end up on the doorsteps of their lily white, hedged trimmed neighborhoods too.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    WHY is it that Latinos have the reputation for being more hard working, more pliable and more reliable than blacks? Where did that stereotype come from? How did it arise? How did it get such a large degree of acceptance?

    The same processes which give birth to stereotypes and help them spread can also be used to kill stereotypes and invalidate them in a broad audience.
    The argument from stereotypes -- you can't make this **** up.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Correct.
    This is just Becker rehashed. If you are correct in your observation, then the problem solves itself. Irrational discriminators will be run out of business by employers who do not discriminate.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The argument from stereotypes -- you can't make this **** up.
    You make it sound like a bad thing.


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    Stereotype Accuracy breaks this taboo by presenting research related to stereotype accuracy, arguing that understanding stereotype accuracy is crucial to both social psychology and to its applications (e.g., to improving intergroup relations). The goals of this volume are to reduce commonplace errors in modern social science by challenging the off-hand and undocumented claims appearing in the scholarly literature that stereotypes are "typically" inaccurate, resistant to change, overgeneralized, exaggerated, and generally destructive.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    WHY is it that Latinos have the reputation for being more hard working, more pliable and more reliable than blacks? Where did that stereotype come from? How did it arise? How did it get such a large degree of acceptance?

    The same processes which give birth to stereotypes and help them spread can also be used to kill stereotypes and invalidate them in a broad audience.
    Hrrm iz it cuz dey wuz only allowed to be manyouwal laybor for a long taim and now dey have to stay dat way cause you a racist and wownt give tehm a jawb?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    It's hard to say to the black man, after he has been held down for 200 years, "Okay, you're equal now. Go forth and do good," and expect him to compete on a level playing field with those of old money, education and stature. But how long does it really take to play catch up? Our black communities need a helping hand. I get it.
    Agreed, but we're a LOOONG way from helping black people out. At present if a white applicant and a black applicant apply for the same job with the same resume- so that is the case of the black person who has overcome all disadvantages through hard work and has arrived at a point where they are exactly equally qualified for a job as the white applicant- the white applicant still gets the interview 2.4 times as often. If we just even got to the point of treating blacks equally to whites that would mean almost a DOUBLING of black's economic prospects. That would just be to get us even, not even to begin giving them an advantage to counter balance historical inequality.

    Despite that- despite the fact that we are continuing to discriminate against blacks to a massive extent- if you chart the median income of each race ever since the Civil Rights Act you see a pretty interesting pattern. All races have risen at about the same rate. When one moved does, they all move down, when one goes up they all go up by about the same amount. But, the gap between whites and blacks has remained constant for all 50 years- slightly over $20k/year. So they're moving forward just as fast as whites are, but to catch up they would actually need to move forward much faster. Given that they are still suffering from discrimination, just the fact that they're moving forward at the same pace as whites who are still benefiting from discrimination is an astounding success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    White people turn on the nightly news and 8 times out of ten, the crimes they see are commited by blacks folks on MLK Blvd.
    That may be true, but that just tells you how pervasive the racism is. Whites commit 7 out of 10 crimes in the US each year. Roughly in proportion with the percentage of the population they represent. So if black people are being depicted by the media as committing 8 out of 10 crimes then the media is out of control.

    Also, crime is a symptom of economic inequality to a huge extent. If it is also a cause of discrimination, which in turn causes further inequality, then that's a tough cycle to break. It requires extraordinary efforts to fight discrimination as well as crime, not just finger pointing.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is just Becker rehashed. If you are correct in your observation, then the problem solves itself. Irrational discriminators will be run out of business by employers who do not discriminate.
    Yeah, if life were magic... But it isn't. The invisible hand isn't that perfect. If it were we would never have had the overt discrimination of the Jim Crow days.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Agreed, but we're a LOOONG way from helping black people out. At present if a white applicant and a black applicant apply for the same job with the same resume- [removed blatant editorializing]- the white applicant still gets the interview 2.4 times as often
    But not with the same unmeasured variables WHICH THE RESEARCHERS NOTED.

    Despite that- despite the fact that we are continuing to discriminate against blacks to a massive extent- if you chart the median income of each race ever since the Civil Rights Act you see a pretty interesting pattern. All races have risen at about the same rate. When one moved does, they all move down, when one goes up they all go up by about the same amount. But, the gap between whites and blacks has remained constant for all 50 years- slightly over $20k/year. So they're moving forward just as fast as whites are, but to catch up they would actually need to move forward much faster.
    The data shows that there is no discrimination. That pay gap is a reflection of the different levels of mean IQ. When you control for IQ then the pay gap disappears.

    So if black people are being depicted by the media as committing 8 out of 10 crimes then the media is out of control.
    When you employ your revisionist tactics then you should expect pushback.

    Murder Rates per 100,000 population:

    White Male (1997) = 6.7
    Black Male (1997) = 47.1

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