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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Which part are you struggling with?
    The part that is cut off from reality. You write "The system is biased in favor of whites" but we see little evidence of that. When cognitive skills are controlled for there is no wage inequality. On the other hand, when we look at the economic returns to education, meaning how much of an income boost does each additional year of education earn the student, we see this:




    If the system was biased in favor of whites then we would expect to see whites getting a bigger boost for every additional year of schooling. Instead we see the opposite. Why is that? It's because employers are incentivized to hire minorities and they reward those minority employees who earn degrees with higher incomes than those earned by whites with the same level of schooling.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Thank you captain obvious
    The only thing obvious was the lack of actual information you seemed to have on this very topic. Now, you have it and can argue from a position of actual fact. You are welcome.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    You're making the same error in comprehension that the research paper did in it's experimental design but they at least acknowledged the limitation of their design. Your error is in assuming that the metric of employee quality is comprehensively accounted for on a resume.
    No, only that it accounts for quality better than the color of somebody's skin does. Duh.

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    There is a large body of economics literature which addresses unobservable skills
    All you're doing here is defining racism- the idea that members of a race are inherently inferior in some way you can't quite put your figure on and which cannot be disproven by any actual information from reality...

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    If we control for sex and look at women and how returns to each additional year of education vary by race, we see this:





    Look at the tighter clustering back in 1979 compared to the more dispersed results in 1999. In earlier eras, without federal discrimination law being abused by the government, employers were rewarding women for their education in a much more equitable process. Now though, black women are advantaged because when an employer hires a black woman the employer gets a bonanza - woman, black, and if she is homosexual, then the employer hits the trifecta and makes the racial and gender bean counters very happy.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Structural racism is illegal. If this is a problem somewhere, you address it through the legal system. You don't create more racism.
    So every employer that doesnt hire as many blacks as whites to the ratio of their applicants according to their elegibility should be sued. Quite a ballsy undertaking. Something tells me we are where we are today because that is unfeasable towards the goal of getting minorities hired as equally as whites.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    All you're doing here is defining racism- the idea that members of a race are inherently inferior in some way you can't quite put your figure on and which cannot be disproven by any actual information from reality...
    If the stereotypes that employers are acting on are inaccurate then the employers are hurting their own self-interest. Any employer who disregards the stereotype, if it's false, will be better staffed than his competitors.

    As I noted earlier, the root of the problem is the stereotype, not employers acting on additional information as a means of minimizing the risks they incur when executing hiring decisions. Invalidate the stereotype and then the employers can't use it as a tool for risk minimization.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The part that is cut off from reality. You write "The system is biased in favor of whites" but we see little evidence of that. When cognitive skills are controlled for there is no wage inequality.
    We've already been over that. Presumably racial prejudice plays less of a role, or maybe even no role, once you know somebody. That doesn't challenge my argument about hiring at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    If the system was biased in favor of whites then we would expect to see whites getting a bigger boost for every additional year of schooling.
    Huh? That doesn't follow at all. That is equally consistent with many possibilities. You data doesn't tell us anything about how much bias there is for one race vs another, just how fast somebody's odds improve as they get more education... Your chart would be consistent with, for example, whites having a much better chance of getting a job at low levels of education and a slightly smaller gap at high education levels. That is probably true. At jobs that require high levels of education there is a lot more hard data one can rely on, so bias would play less of a role. That doesn't mean there isn't bias...

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is patently untrue but we are having to pretend that it is.

    What happened to Martin Luther King's hope that we should judge people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin? It is Democrats who are most responsible for not implementing that dream. Everyone should have equal rights and opportunities and only when that is accomplished will conditions improve for all..
    Im starting to think some of you were dropped on your heads... latinos and blacks have had a headstart disadvantage in a largely white controlled society since its inception. There is a structural bias against them to this day that cannot be readily explained. Allowing that bias to continue is in itself a racist act and would continue deprivation of their communities. Utopian rants that if everyone were just treated equal in a society where government didnt interfere are pretty much conceptual dookey. If older folks who are equally qualified as younger folks have trouble getting the tech jobs that they need, then the government should step in there too.

    So we were racist 45 years ago, that can't affect us today! sure

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    If the stereotypes that employers are acting on are inaccurate then the employers are hurting their own self-interest. Any employer who disregards the stereotype, if it's false, will be better staffed than his competitors.

    As I noted earlier, the root of the problem is the stereotype, not employers acting on additional information as a means of minimizing the risks they incur when executing hiring decisions. Invalidate the stereotype and then the employers can't use it as a tool for risk minimization.
    How are you going to help invalidate the stereotype by removing their class mobility?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    If the stereotypes that employers are acting on are inaccurate then the employers are hurting their own self-interest. Any employer who disregards the stereotype, if it's false, will be better staffed than his competitors.
    Correct. That's why the civil rights act corresponded with a huge surge in GDP. Employers were forced not to discriminate so intensely, so their productivity went up. The optimal economic efficiency would be if there were no racial bias- black applicants and white applicants with the same resumes getting interviews equally often.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    As I noted earlier, the root of the problem is the stereotype, not employers acting on additional information as a means of minimizing the risks they incur when executing hiring decisions. Invalidate the stereotype and then the employers can't use it as a tool for risk minimization.
    Yes. Get cracking on that. Seems you've got quite a bit of work eliminating the stereotype in your own thinking.

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