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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Nah...you have to be a 'partial' black like Hatuey to get away with calling blacks derogatory terms on this site.
    Since I'm not, "black", he can't call me Uncle Tom. Right?

    maybe colored would fit his stereotype better?

    And people wonder why I don't like Libbos.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Answer my question.
    Do all the black people at your job make less than you do?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do all the black people at your job make less than you do?
    Answer my question.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Of course black people are capable of having any kinds of views, but, sadly, there is no way in the US for a black person to isolate themselves from racial discrimination to the extent where they don't think it exists. Generally only rural, less educated, white people can pull that off.

    Not at present. I used to manage teams of developers in software companies, but I got sick of that and went to law school.
    Unless of course that black person were to work in the federal government or to be enlisted in the military.

    Your software developers...did they refuse a lot of qualified black candidates and give preferential treatment to white candidates?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dont go into many minority owned businesses...do ya?
    I doubt that as many white applicants apply for black or hispanic owned businesses. Trying to guesstimate this kind of thing based on individual experiences is like trying to figure out the distance to the moon by eyeballing it.

    That said, I'm mostly just speculating based on studies in other areas that have found equal discrimination. For example, black cops discriminate against black suspects just as much as white cops do. I don't know of an employment discrimination study that addresses that question.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    But lets say you were right...lets say blacks were still discriminated against...by blacks. What would that tell you?
    That would tell me that racism gets internalized. But everybody already knew that.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I doubt that as many white applicants apply for black or hispanic owned businesses. Trying to guesstimate this kind of thing based on individual experiences is like trying to figure out the distance to the moon by eyeballing it.

    That said, I'm mostly just speculating based on studies in other areas that have found equal discrimination. For example, black cops discriminate against black suspects just as much as white cops do. I don't know of an employment discrimination study that addresses that question.



    That would tell me that racism gets internalized. But everybody already knew that.
    That should tell you something about the black suspects.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Answer my question.
    Answer mine first. I double-dog-dare-ya!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I doubt that as many white applicants apply for black or hispanic owned businesses. Trying to guesstimate this kind of thing based on individual experiences is like trying to figure out the distance to the moon by eyeballing it.

    That said, I'm mostly just speculating based on studies in other areas that have found equal discrimination. For example, black cops discriminate against black suspects just as much as white cops do. I don't know of an employment discrimination study that addresses that question.
    That would tell me that racism gets internalized. But everybody already knew that.
    It might tell you something else...but it may not be something you want to admit. It MIGHT tell you that there is a reason for that discrimination and that reason MAY have something to do with the significant numbers (but still a minority) within that discriminated group that has created a negative hiring environment for other qualified individuals within the same racial group. Where a black employer is more likely to hire a white employee, it MIGHT not mean that employer is an institutionalized racist, but that in fact the employer might have negative experiences with other employees and be disinclined to hire another black applicant based on prior experiences.

    I still think you are wrong though. I think you will find that a majority of minority owned businesses hire far more within their race. And thats not a BAD thing.

    Heres another observation...I was in Chicago recently...damn near every store in downtown Chicago was manned by immigrant employees. Why do you suppose that is? (not laying a trap...I'll tell you my thoughts...it is because employer experience has shown that immigrants are willing to bust their ass, do a good job, because they value the job more than a typical American apllicant).

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    To the extent that we do (and of course it isn't always true that Asians and women receive affirmative action) it's because affirmative action is about redressing the effects of discrmination, generally -- not just discrimination against blacks.


    "2.) How is someone born 46 years after Jim Crow ended disadvantaged by what happened nearly half a century ago?"


    The effects of systematic discrimination against an entire race do not disappear with the stroke of a pen.




    I would tell a newly arrived Polish immigrant that he could have stayed in Poland if he wasn't happy with our policies.



    Not sure what you mean by that.
    Why do you refer to the Jim Crow laws and say it was discrimination against an entire race when the laws were only enacted in the southern states? Do you think every black in the country lived in the south?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Unless of course that black person were to work in the federal government or to be enlisted in the military.
    Even if a person works in an environment where they are not discriminated against- which of course there are many of- they still live in the world. It would be impossible to be oblivious to it. Frankly even when a white person pretends they seriously are unaware of racial discrimination I find that very, very, hard to believe, but a black person that is unaware of it? No way.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Your software developers...did they refuse a lot of qualified black candidates and give preferential treatment to white candidates?
    Yes. I've participated in somewhere around 100 hiring committees over the years. Out of those maybe 6 candidates have been black. Every single one of those times, at least one person on the committee said something along the lines of "I just don't think they'd fit into the corporate culture" or had "concerns about professionalism" or similar. I don't think I remember either of those "issues" being raised about a white applicant ever. I doubt the people reacting that way are conscious of how the applicant's race is affecting their perception of the applicant. Probably conscious racial discrimination is very rare in all types of jobs, but the scientific studies of the question have all found that it occurs nonetheless. Hiring is extraordinarily subjective. For example, height turns out to be a huge factor in hiring decisions, although obviously nobody consciously thinks "I want to hire this applicant over the others because he is taller". Same deal with race.

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