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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I don't see how we could stop trying to fight racism until equally qualified black and hispanic people have odds of getting jobs at least in the same ballpark as equally qualified white people.
    Equally qualified black, hispanic and oriental people have just as much opportunity to get a job as any white person in this country.

    That whole mindset is bull****.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Equally qualified black, hispanic and oriental people have just as much opportunity to get a job as any white person in this country.
    Sadly, that just is not true. In fact, if a white person and a black person apply for exactly the same job with exactly the same resume, the white person is 2.4 times more likely to get called back for an interview. As a whole the system is still overwhelmingly biased against black people and in favor of white people.

    Discrimination in a Low-Wage Labor Market: A Field Experiment by Devah Pager, Bruce Western, Bart Bonikowski :: SSRN

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Sadly, that just is not true. In fact, if a white person and a black person apply for exactly the same job with exactly the same resume, the white person is 2.4 times more likely to get called back for an interview. As a whole the system is still overwhelmingly biased against black people and in favor of white people.

    Discrimination in a Low-Wage Labor Market: A Field Experiment by Devah Pager, Bruce Western, Bart Bonikowski :: SSRN
    They should try that study in the social services field and especially with the federal government.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Sadly, that just is not true. In fact, if a white person and a black person apply for exactly the same job with exactly the same resume, the white person is 2.4 times more likely to get called back for an interview. As a whole the system is still overwhelmingly biased against black people and in favor of white people.

    Discrimination in a Low-Wage Labor Market: A Field Experiment by Devah Pager, Bruce Western, Bart Bonikowski :: SSRN
    Yeah, that's bull****, too.

    I've never had a problem either getting a job, nor making top wages.

    That study, like most of those studies, is bull****. Wages and employment have more to do with attitude and work ethic than race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've never had a problem either getting a job, nor making top wages.
    What race are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That study, like most of those studies, is bull****.
    Uh, so you're just anti-knowledge flat out? Pro-stupidity? Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Wages and employment have more to do with attitude and work ethic than race.
    Again, all that differs between the applicants is the color of their skin. They have the same resume- so as far as the employer knows, they have the same work ethic and attitude. So I guess your theory is wrong.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Sadly, that just is not true. In fact, if a white person and a black person apply for exactly the same job with exactly the same resume, the white person is 2.4 times more likely to get called back for an interview. As a whole the system is still overwhelmingly biased against black people and in favor of white people.

    Discrimination in a Low-Wage Labor Market: A Field Experiment by Devah Pager, Bruce Western, Bart Bonikowski :: SSRN
    I dont disagree that some people remain racist. Thats not ever going to change. A small business owner is likely to discriminate based on that persons world view. What do you think the results of that study would be if they sent those same applicants into black and hispanic owned small businesses?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What race are you?
    I'm black.



    Uh, so you're just anti-knowledge flat out? Pro-stupidity? Really?
    I'm pro-real-world-experience, actually.



    Again, all that differs between the applicants is the color of their skin. They have the same resume- so as far as the employer knows, they have the same work ethic and attitude. So I guess your theory is wrong.
    You have no way of knowing that to be a fact.

    Like I say, these studies are bull****.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm black.
    I'm just going to go ahead and say that I don't believe you.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm pro-real-world-experience, actually.
    So, you think we should just make conclusions about how the world is based on our own subjective perceptions of events we personally encounter rather than employing large samples and scientific methodology. Why? Isn't that like 1,000 times more likely to give you an incorrect answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You have no way of knowing that to be a fact.

    Like I say, these studies are bull****.
    What are you talking about? This study was completed twice by two different groups in two different cities. The first time it was Northwestern University. The second time it was Princeton and Brown Universities conducting it with backing from Harvard and the National Science Foundation. Are you contending that they are falsifying their results? What basis do you have for that extraordinary accusation?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm black.
    I'm pro-real-world-experience, actually.
    You have no way of knowing that to be a fact.
    Like I say, these studies are bull****.
    Go to any non-union construction site and see if you can find a trend in low skilled workers on the site. My guess is you will see a larger than average representation of hispanic males. Why? By reputation primarily built by others they will work for less, will work harder, will be more reliable on the job site, will bitch and whine less than their non-hispanic contemporaries. Just because people have a bias, doesnt always make that bias necessarily wrong. And sure...some people have to fight against a stereotype...but if they are really pissed off about it, they ought to maybe get upset with those that reinforce the stereotype in the first place.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont disagree that some people remain racist. Thats not ever going to change. A small business owner is likely to discriminate based on that persons world view. What do you think the results of that study would be if they sent those same applicants into black and hispanic owned small businesses?
    My guess would be that they would still find discrimination against blacks and hispanics. This study didn't look at that question specifically, but other studies have found racism against blacks and hispanics to be just about equally common amongst blacks and hispanics as amongst whites.

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