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Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

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I just want to go on record im glad the vast majority here understand reality vs fantasy and realize that life doesnt take place in a vacuum called happy land.

Its hilarious that about 2 people ASSume they know exactly what the facts are when reality dictates that they couldn't possible know at all.

Like I said the criminal case didnt get started because they people that would decided to start it are to smart to waste their time.

The civil case is a joke and I wish I had the 300K to pay those guys for doing us all a favor.:D
 
AdamT said:
What if the guy's running away?
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Then he won't be in the garage when I set it on fire.

AdamT said:
Would you shoot him in the back on the assumption that he might turn around and charge you? Or maybe he's just seeking cover so he can reassemble his mysteriously disassembled assault weapon?
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Depends on whether or not I view him as a reasonable threat. If he's running away, weapon in hand; there's no reason to believe he can't still use it. If he's taking up position somewhere, there's no reason to believe that he's merely hiding. If he drops his weapons and goes screaming off into the night (off my property), hands flailing wildly in the air; I would most likely consider him a neutralized threat. In reality, I may not be the shoot first type; but a criminal gunned down in the act of a crime is just that. A criminal remaining on your property unrestrained is still a threat.
 
Gipper said:
Gee...I wonder why that is.

I guess if I'm ever a juror in a rape case where the woman happened to find a large rock she could use to bash an attacker's head, I'll push for an assault conviction on her. Especially if he's carrying a knife. Apparently there's no difference between plugging a knowingly unarmed man and an armed one. I mean, I know when I carry a knife or gun on my random felony excursions, I just use it as a conversation piece - nothing more.
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Bad analogy. If you are being raped you clearly have a right to defend yourself.

As for knives, the only time I DON'T have one on me is if I had to fly somewhere and wasn't checking luggage. And yet I've never attempted to stab anyone!
 
Gipper said:
I guess if I'm ever a juror in a rape case
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So in this thread we've had the arguments that somehow trespassing into a place of business =

1. attempted rape
2. a solider in a warzone
3. a home invasion

Stick to the topic at hand so I can understand if you think the verdict was wrong, or you think the law that requires reasonable cause for self defense, wrong. Please.
 
AdamT said:
And yet I've never attempted to stab anyone!
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Have you attempted to commit armed robbery? If not, perhaps you are not quite in the demographics that we're discussing here. Talk about bad analogy.
 
Trespassing into a place of business with a weapon. You seemed to forget that.

That aside, centrist is right. The next time you get robbed, go ahead and assume that 1) the party is unarmed, and 2) he can be reasoned with and convinced to flee without attempts to harm. Maybe you can talk your way out of a felony in progress.

If you want, I can make sure the Basement receives a "In Loving Memory Of..." thread devoted especially to you. Your bravery will never be forgotten.
 
OscarB63 said:
you are big on "what ifs"..

what if I catch you stealing my hubcaps and your drug addled brain tells you "kill him so you won't go to jail for stealing" are you threatening my life then?
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You must remember the liberal mentality of some, that stealing from people to help yourself is okay.
 
AdamT said:
You're going to set your own garage on fire? :lol:
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It's reasonable to set your garage on fire if you see what you think is a human running into it.
 
Ikari said:
Have you attempted to commit armed robbery? If not, perhaps you are not quite in the demographics that we're discussing here. Talk about bad analogy.
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The assumption is that just because the guy had knives on him, he planned on using them. But there's no evidence that he intended to use them, AFAIK. Nor is there any evidence, AFAIK, that the shooters even knew he was carrying knives.
 
Mach said:
It's reasonable to set your garage on fire if you see what you think is a human running into it.
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Yeah, I do it all the time. The money I spend on garages!
 
American said:
You must remember the liberal mentality of some, that stealing from people to help yourself is okay.
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Nah, the liberal mentality is that people should follow the law. Crazy, I know.
 
AdamT said:
The assumption is that just because the guy had knives on him, he planned on using them. But there's no evidence that he intended to use them, AFAIK. Nor is there any evidence, AFAIK, that the shooters even knew he was carrying knives.
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Unless he's a butcher, I'd say common sense would dictate that carrying knives during an incident of grand theft auto slightly leans toward the side of carrying them for potential use. Either you're attempting to be the devil's advocate here, or you're astronomically ignorant.
 
AdamT said:
The assumption is that just because the guy had knives on him, he planned on using them. But there's no evidence that he intended to use them, AFAIK. Nor is there any evidence, AFAIK, that the shooters even knew he was carrying knives.
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Dude.... he was packing THREE knives, one of them strapped to his leg for deep concealment, while in the commission of a felony. BIG diff....
 
Gipper said:
Unless he's a butcher, I'd say common sense would dictate that carrying knives during an incident of grand theft auto slightly leans toward the side of carrying them for potential use. Either you're attempting to be the devil's advocate here, or you're astronomically ignorant.
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It wasn't strong arm robbery. They were there to steal property. Maybe he intned to use them as screwdrivers, or to cut wires?

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AdamT said:
It wasn't strong arm robbery. They were there to steal property. Maybe he intned to use them as screwdrivers, or to cut wires?

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THREE knives? One strapped to his leg? PUH-leese....
 
Gipper said:
Trespassing into a place of business with a weapon. You seemed to forget that.
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It's irrelevant unless you can show that it was reasonable to assume the guys camping out with their guns knew they were armed.
Also, that would be weighed with their comments to a police offer prior to this that they would shoot the trespassers the next time (no metion of "if they are armed")

Come one guys, they are paying the price for being kill-happy. I'm not gonna take care of that orphaned kid just beacuse you wanted to kill a human for sport. You're gonna have to put a bullet in the kid or take care of them.
 
Goshin said:
Dude.... he was packing THREE knives, one of them strapped to his leg for deep concealment, while in the commission of a felony. BIG diff....
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Are you saying the guys that shot knew this prior to shooting?
 
I believe that their goal was to go undetected. They didn't set out to attack anyone.
 
If YOU break into MY property, the burden of proof is on YOU to demonstrate to ME that you are not armed.

Seriously, if I catch you in my home trying to lift my laptop or TV, I'm gonna plug you between the eyes. I'm not going to assume a damn thing, or wait for you to convince me that you're only there to detach me from my earthly possessions peacefully.
 
Gipper said:
If YOU break into MY property, the burden of proof is on YOU to demonstrate to ME that you are not armed.

Seriously, if I catch you in my home trying to lift my laptop or TV, I'm gonna plug you between the eyes. I'm not going to assume a damn thing, or wait for you to convince me that you're only there to detach me from my earthly possessions peacefully.
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As would I. But if you run away, or run into a closet, I'm not going to hunt you down like a dog.
 
AdamT said:
I believe that their goal was to go undetected. They didn't set out to attack anyone.
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So if they were put into a confrontational mode by people not wanting to be robbed, they could stab the owners and fall back under the guise of "well, I wouldn't have stabbed him if he just let me steal his car".

Wow, I'd love to live in your world.
 
Gipper said:
So if they were put into a confrontational mode by people not wanting to be robbed, they could stab the owners and fall back under the guise of "well, I wouldn't have stabbed him if he just let me steal his car".

Wow, I'd love to live in your world.
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Umm, no, I didn't exactly say that. But if they were confronted by someone, and ran away, and never pulled out a knife, I think it would be reasonable to say that they didn't intend to use a knife in anger.
 
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