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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    If you don't want someone to misread your intent and blow your scumbag ass away, don't break into their property in the middle of the night
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    If you don't want someone to misread your intent and blow your scumbag ass away, don't break into their property in the middle of the night
    If you don't want to risk a lengthy prison sentence and potentially be liable for several hundred thousand dollars worth of civil damages, think before you shoot.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    sad when you have alleged lawyers defending drug addict criminals. no wonder the country is in the ****ter
    Everyone has a right to a defense. It's in the constitution. If you think lawyers shouldn't defend drug addicted criminals, you have a very poor understanding of the judicial system.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Everyone has a right to a defense. It's in the constitution. If you think lawyers shouldn't defend drug addicted criminals, you have a very poor understanding of the judicial system.
    except that this forum isn't a court room, matlock. there is a difference between providing legal council and personally defending their actions. one would think a lawyer would know that.


    it is not surprising, though, to see that you align yourself morally with a drug addict criminal than you do a property owner defending his property. speaks volumes about your character
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    except that this forum isn't a court room, matlock.
    Of course it's not, layperson. By the way, I still don't understand why you think I'm defending their actions. All I'm doing is pointing out that the people who shot them are murderers. One doesn't need to defend, like or respect the person being murdered to do that. I also can't help noticing that you still refuse to actually look at the law and apply it to the facts as we know them.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    it is not surprising, though, to see that you align yourself morally with a drug addict criminal than you do a property owner defending his property. speaks volumes about your character
    I missed this the first time around. I'm not aligning myself - morally or otherwise - with anyone. The fact that you think so demonstrates that you still can't wrap your head around the possibility that one could reasonably find the actions of all parties involved to be bad. The only conclusion you could reach that relates to my character is that I'm not willing to let a murderer slide just because I don't like the person he murdered. The fact that you can do that should make you wonder about your own character.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Not really, no. All I've said is that you cannot use deadly force absent sufficient justification for doing so. If someone attempts to rob you at knife point or gun point you probably can go ahead and shoot them. That's not what happened here.
    It was essentially what happened. The only difference is, the business owners didn't know the drug addict's intentions; other than the fact that his intentions were negative being that he was in the process of committing a crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Three things:

    1) Everyone involved in this case is a criminal.
    Nope.

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    2) I don't value either life more than the other.
    Apparently you do, or else you wouldn't want to force the real victim of a crime to stand there and wait for the criminal to make the first move, thus giving the criminal the advantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    3) The only people in this case who actually demonstrated a desire to take a human life were the business owners.
    Which is why the guy was armed with three knives.

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    The trespassers may or may not have been interested in threatening someone at knifepoint. We have no way of knowing.
    That's right, and neither did the business owner.

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    The point is, they didn't actually attempt to do so. If they had attempted to do so, the storeowners might have been in a much more justifiable position to use deadly force.
    right, so the store owners have to wait to be shot or stabbed first before defending themselves. That's absolutely, mindbogglingly retarded.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    How is it meaningless. Have you ever heard of anyone getting the death penalty because they stole a car? A child? The vigilantes took it upon themselves to become judge and jury and convicted the thief to death. Since when do we do that in the United States?
    because its NOT what happened thats why its MEANINGLESS, can you get the death sentence for armed robbery? nope doesn't mean you cant get killed doing it LMAO

    sorry nothing more than you meaningless opinion that has no impact on the subject at hand thats why.

    Something being punishable by death or not is not the end all to whether deadly force can be uses

    THATS WHY ITS MEANINGLESS lol


    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    And he wouldn't have been if he had gone through our judicial system and tried for his crime.
    you are right, nobody argued different nor does it matter LOL thanks captain obvious.


    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Did you even read the OP? It sounds as if there is a mental block preventing you from understanding what actually happened. The business owners knew that the thief/thieves were coming back, and instead of calling the police like we are supposed to, they decided to take matters into their own hands. That is also a crime, punishable, too.
    yep I read it and what you are saying above is YOUR pure 100% opinion. nothing more


    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Yes, that is true, but that doesn't mean you are allowed to take the law into your own hands. If a thief breaks into your home, and you shoot him, in many states it is allowed. What is not allowed is knowing that someone is going to break into your home, and you set up an ambush. Look it up, it is not allowed.
    again what are you talking about LMAO I dont have to look it up because it has no meaning here. please stay on topic instead of making meaningless talking points.

    It is nothing more than you opinion that these guys took the law in their own hands. There is no evidence beyond reasonable doubt to support such nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    There you go again, with that mental block. The business owners were not law abiding people. They were breaking the law. What part of that do you not understand?
    says who? not and criminal case what part dont you get?
    tell me what law they broke? LMAO


    [QUOTE=mertex;1059795277]So, what's your beef. The business owners got away with their crime, the young thief didn't. What do you care that the thief's daughter was awarded some money? Is it coming out of your pocket?[QUOTE=mertex;1059795277]

    My beef is justice wasnt served in the civil case but then again civil doesnt need real proof.


    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    He was dumb to break into that business, but he didn't deserve to die. The business owners had no business taking the law into their hands. Let that be a lesson to other thieves and to other vigilantes. The END.
    more opinion from you, maybe he DID deserve to die?
    the lesson was learned by the dead thieving junkie
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    The first two questions are largely irrelevant to this thread, and I can prove the third one:

    Murder, as has been established on this thread, is the intentional killing of another human being without a valid defense for doing so. Therefore we have to ask two questions:

    1 - Did anyone intentionally kill another human being?

    2 - If so, did they have a legally valid defense for doing so?

    Here're my answers:

    1 - Obviously someone intentionally killed another human being. We know this because it says so in the article, and because not even the perpetrators seem to claim otherwise. So this issue is fairly straightforward.

    2 - No, they did not have a legally valid defense. There are several valid defenses to murder. The only ones that matter in this context are defense of self/other and defense of property. Since the two thieves were not visibly armed, and were not making any attempts to attack the three guys who shot at them, defense of self/other is pretty much out the window as a valid defense in the eyes of the law. If you'd like to argue that the two thieves were inherently a threat justifying lethal force, feel free to do so, but understand that the law as it stands does not take that position. Check the various statutes I've posted in this thread for verification. The only potential defense left is defense of property, and that's not a legitimate defense under Colorado law. I've provided the relevant statute on this point, and it also says so in the article.

    Q.E.D. Thank you for playing.
    they are relevant because people keep saying

    1. thats NOT the definition of MURDER
    2. this is nothing more than your opinion with ZERO proof, ZERO lmao

    you played and you failed BIG TIME lmao
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Still waiting for this:
    I challenge anybody to prove the following fallacies.

    he was a kid
    he was hiding
    he was murdered

    can anybody prove these 3 fallacies to be true?
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