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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    There was no criminal case because theres no evidence to support charging them with murder. Thet are not murders. Theres something called without reasonable doubt and nobody could EVER prove that this guy was no threat, to think other wise is a joke.

    He was crazy enough to do drugs scale a wall and steal while high and carrying weapons, no "trust" deserves given to him.

    The civil case is a joke on many levels.

    If I had the 300K Id pay it myself for these guys doing us all a service.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Look at the standards for self-defense as laid out in the article. Then compare those standards to the actions of the shooter and his accomplices. Ask yourself, in all honesty, did their actions meet with the standards for self-defense? If the answer is no, then yes, they are murderers, whether a grand jury chose to indict them or not.
    The standard for self-defese in this country is a joke. It's ridiculous. Someone comes onto my property without my permission, regardless of their intent, they're liable to end up with a severe case of LEAD POISONING. It's MY PROPERTY, not theirs.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You might want to re-read the article. No one was in anyone's house. This is from the article:
    The contention is not the article. You said (I can't believe I have to remind you of what you said) "Ah, the Charles Bronson mentality. I'd advise you not to do that. You probably won't be as lucky as these guys were, and you'll end up serving a lengthy prison sentence as the murderer you seem interested in becoming." That wasn't directed towards the article, that was directed towards Oscar. And Oscar had said that if it was someone in his yard, he would fire a warning shot and try to scare them off and get them not to come back; but if they were in his home it would be a different scenario. You tried to call him a wannabe murderer; but he expressed no interest in murder. Which is why if you're going to ask others not to engage in partisan hyperbole that you should perhaps do the same.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Why the grand jury didn't indict is beyond me,
    The burden of proof is much higher in criminal court than in civil court. It is quite possible that there was not enough evidence to gain a murder conviction; which could be why the grand jury didn't push for criminal trial.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The burden of proof is much higher in criminal court than in civil court. It is quite possible that there was not enough evidence to gain a murder conviction; which could be why the grand jury didn't push for criminal trial.
    evidence???? who needs evidence? these guys were obviously murderers... Aderleth sez so
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    evidence???? who needs evidence? these guys were obviously murderers... Aderleth sez so
    And some people believe Casey Anthony so guilty that we should engage in vigilante justice on her. But in that case as well there was not enough evidence to gain a conviction. We can believe these people to be "murders" all we want. But in the end, we'd have to PROVE it in a court of law BEYOND a reasonable doubt.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And some people believe Casey Anthony so guilty that we should engage in vigilante justice on her. But in that case as well there was not enough evidence to gain a conviction. We can believe these people to be "murders" all we want. But in the end, we'd have to PROVE it in a court of law BEYOND a reasonable doubt.
    Yep, and I'm sure that VM and Oscar would agree that OJ wasn't guilty of murder.

    Bottom line is that these guys killed someone when they didn't have to and they are paying the price. They got off easy. Meanwhile there's a three-year-old girl who's going to grow up without a father.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yep, and I'm sure that VM and Oscar would agree that OJ wasn't guilty of murder.

    Bottom line is that these guys killed someone when they didn't have to and they are paying the price. They got off easy. Meanwhile there's a three-year-old girl who's going to grow up without a father.
    Bottom line is thats your unsupported opinion according to criminal law.
    see how that works
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yep, and I'm sure that VM and Oscar would agree that OJ wasn't guilty of murder.
    He certainly wasn't convicted of murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Bottom line is that these guys killed someone when they didn't have to and they are paying the price. They got off easy. Meanwhile there's a three-year-old girl who's going to grow up without a father.
    Nice appeal to emotion. But who is more at fault for the welfare of the girl? The men defending their property in a way you disagree with, or the father who made the choice to be a thief?
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Bottom line is thats your unsupported opinion according to criminal law.
    see how that works
    Bottom line is that they lost the case in civil court. That is how it works.

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