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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    James, there is much of great value in Americans and in US society - please don't advertise the worst aspects of your society as a recommendation of some spurious sort - you do your fellow Americans a disservice.
    Personal and property defense is one of the best aspects of American society.Something you do not have in your country.

    Talk about your friendliness as a society, about your generosity, your inventivesness, and your material progress. You will get agreement, and admiration for your achievements, from most sensible people.


    Sensible people support personal and property defense with lethal force.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Sensible people support personal and property defense with lethal force.
    I guess you think Jesus Christ wasn't sensible?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I guess you think Jesus Christ wasn't sensible?
    Contrary to popular belief Jesus was not the type to sit idly by and not do anything.


    John 2 NIV - Jesus Changes Water Into Wine On the - Bible Gateway
    13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” 17 His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.”[c]
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Contrary to popular belief Jesus was not the type to sit idly by and not do anything.


    John 2 NIV - Jesus Changes Water Into Wine On the - Bible Gateway
    13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” 17 His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.”[c]
    You are, of course, completely wrong.

    Notice that Jesus did not do any physical harm to the money changers. Recall the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus enjoined us to "turn the other cheek" when we are hit. Jesus instructed us to never do harm to another, even when they are trying to harm us. Claiming that violence is justifiable in defense of property is absurdly anti-Christian. Jesus wouldn't even justify violence in defense of life.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    What is your definition of a kid? A three year old?

    And, what do you think he was doing in the shed - of course he was hiding. He had already been shot at, certainly he wasn't figuring on how to steal the shed.

    He was shot through the door. Stealing does not carry the death penalty in any state in the US that I know of.
    legal he is an adult FACT
    nobody knows what he was doing in the shed: FACT
    nobody said stealing is punishable by death: FACT this is just a weak appeal to emotion

    so again nobody can prove those 3 fallacies.
    PURE STUPIDITY 1.) Glenn Beck doesnt lie. 2.) Obama is Jesus like 3.) Sara Palin is so smart & shes a great speaker. 4.) Obama does just about everything perfect. 5.) Fox doesn' t lean right 6.) Pro-Choice is no different than Pro-Slavery 7.) MSNBC doesn't lean left. 8.) What TSA does is no different than sexual assault & child porn.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    That goes for both sides of the argument..
    examples please

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    He wasn't even old enough to drink beer legally.
    So? last I checked the ablity to drink beer has no impact on whether you are an adult or not, you seemed confused on this



    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    And that also goes for "imagining" that he was loading a gun, or sharpening his knife.
    I agree 100% thats why i said NOBODY knows and its all guessing, thanks glad you agree


    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    All irrelevant. The two men were armed and had already shot at him, they could have called police and threatened to shoot if he came out - they didn't have to shoot through the door.
    Wrong its very relevant. Its only your OPINION that its not. Maybe while they are calling the police they get shot, maybe as soon as they turn around he attacks?

    You dont know, neither to I and its VERY relevant. To suggest otherwise is more dishonesty.


    They are also equally unimportant.


    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    You need to read the story again. Of course they knew why he was in the shed, they chased him there, with guns. If the thief had a gun don't you think he would have shot back?
    what are you talking about I said the guy that shot him didn't know what he was DOING in the shed not that he wasn't in there.
    and NO we don't know if he would have maybe he thought it was important to get cover first huh? LOL



    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Your challenge is inane. To some he was a kid - a 20 year old is not much of an adult. And, the fact he was in the shed is more reason for the men to not have had to shoot him. They were armed and could have kept him there till the police arrived, instead they acted like thugs themselves and became judge and jury and sentenced him to death.
    my challenge is spot on because I want people to stop making false statements and back upo thier false claims and they cant.
    Everything above is you OPINION and nothing more.

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    The jury made their decision based on the law. It is unlawful to play vigilante, plain and simple. They are lucky they were not charged with murder. Stealing does not carry the death penalty in any of the states in the US.
    They are not LUCKY there no charges to be made in CRIMINAL court because it requires more sound evidence which there is none.

    Nobody said stealing is punishable by death? this is just an empty talking point.

    anybody else want to try?
    PURE STUPIDITY 1.) Glenn Beck doesnt lie. 2.) Obama is Jesus like 3.) Sara Palin is so smart & shes a great speaker. 4.) Obama does just about everything perfect. 5.) Fox doesn' t lean right 6.) Pro-Choice is no different than Pro-Slavery 7.) MSNBC doesn't lean left. 8.) What TSA does is no different than sexual assault & child porn.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You are, of course, completely wrong.

    Notice that Jesus did not do any physical harm to the money changers. Recall the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus enjoined us to "turn the other cheek" when we are hit. Jesus instructed us to never do harm to another, even when they are trying to harm us. Claiming that violence is justifiable in defense of property is absurdly anti-Christian. Jesus wouldn't even justify violence in defense of life.
    Now I find that hard to believe seeing how before the sermon on the mount. he says that if you do not have a sword then sell your cloak. A weapon would be useless to someone who is not supposed to use violence to defend themselves.

    Luke 22
    36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Now I find that hard to believe seeing how before the sermon on the mount. he says that if you do not have a sword then sell your cloak. A weapon would be useless to someone who is not supposed to use violence to defend themselves.

    Luke 22
    36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one
    Read that passage in context and you will see that Jesus is speaking here metaphorically. His disciples, always making mistakes, make the same foolish mistake you do and take him literally and show Him their two swords. He says the two swords is enough! But two swords is certainly not enough two defend a dozen men, more than two would be necessary if He meant it to be taken literally. Obvious to anybody who is not trying to squeeze a pretext for self-defense out of this passage, the "sell your cloak and buy a sword" line is a metaphor for the dangers inherent in discipleship. Jesus was fond of speaking in metaphor.

    If you truly do think it is to be taken literally, then you are still out of luck. Maybe He meant that having a sword strapped to your hip might be a good deterrent. Maybe Jesus commanded everybody to buy a sword. It's a strained reading, but ok, let's go with it. He certainly was unequivocal that, should you have a sword, you shouldn't use it to harm a person!

    Your homework assignment tonight is to reread the Beatitudes and pray that you understand them.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I guess you think Jesus Christ wasn't sensible?
    Who cares? What does mythology have to do with this debate?
    “In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” -Napoleon

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Who cares? What does mythology have to do with this debate?
    It has everything to do with it. You could stand to learn a little mythology.

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