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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    dude must think he's Descartes. he thinks they are murderers, therefore they are.
    Ambushing and killing a person who poses no direct threat is murder. It's a moral judgment not a legal one.

    Sorry if that goes over your heard, I know you have trouble comprehending morals, Oscar.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Ambushing and killing a person who poses no direct threat is murder. It's a moral judgment not a legal one.

    Sorry if that goes over your heard, I know you have trouble comprehending morals, Oscar.
    thats where the OPINION part comes in. you and the alleged lawyers here weren't there, you have no idea whether the armed drug addict posed a threat or not.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Ambushing and killing a person who poses no direct threat is murder. It's a moral judgment not a legal one.

    Sorry if that goes over your heard, I know you have trouble comprehending morals, Oscar.
    Yeah, we can't have people protecting their property. The whole property rights thing is just feel good speak.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are aware that in a criminal trial they have to prove guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They do not have have to do that in a civil trial. So the standards are much lower for a civil trial. If what these shop owners did was illegal there was certainly a confession,evidence and possible witnesses(the scumbag who did not get shot and the shop owner who did not kill the burglar). You are telling me that a grand jury and prosecutor is going to ignore a case that would have been a slam dunk?
    How many times have we gone over this now? A dozen? See if you can grasp this concept: a grand jury is not a criminal trial. In a grand jury proceding, the standard of proof (to get an indictment -- not a conviction) is the preponderance of the evidence -- exactly the same standard that the civil jury used when it determined that the shooters were not acting in self defense.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, we can't have people protecting their property. The whole property rights thing is just feel good speak.
    You can protect you property in many ways. You can buy good locks. You can have an alarm system. You can have good lighting. You can have a dog. You can have strong fences. What you can't do -- under the law -- is gun someone down who doesn't pose a threat to your person or someone else's person.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    How many times have we gone over this now? A dozen? See if you can grasp this concept: a grand jury is not a criminal trial. In a grand jury proceding, the standard of proof (to get an indictment -- not a conviction) is the preponderance of the evidence -- exactly the same standard that the civil jury used when it determined that the shooters were not acting in self defense.
    boo ****ing hoo. i guess it all depends on which jury you want to believe. you defend the drug addict thief, we defend the property owner.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You can protect you property in many ways. You can buy good locks. You can have an alarm system. You can have good lighting.
    Those things only stop honest people from stealing.


    You can have a dog. You can have strong fences. What you can't do -- under the law -- is gun someone down who doesn't pose a threat to your person or someone else's person.
    Yeah! Let someone get mauled, or killed by your gaurd dog and see what happens.

    I'm talking about real world stuff, not fantasy land, where criminals already know how to circumvent locks and alarms.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You can protect you property in many ways. You can buy good locks. You can have an alarm system. You can have good lighting. You can have a dog. You can have strong fences. What you can't do -- under the law -- is gun someone down who doesn't pose a threat to your person or someone else's person.
    the grand jury didn't think these guys did your OPINION counts for piss
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those things only stop honest people from stealing.
    Honest people, by definition, don't steal.

    This is getting ridiculous.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Honest people, by definition, don't steal.

    This is getting ridiculous.
    The bottom line is, had this cat not been breaking the law, they wouldn't have gotten shot. It's a damn shame that that a person should be punished for protecting his own property.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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