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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    As I've explained twice now, I find the behavior of the grand jury baffling based on the facts we have available. You probably would too if you actually looked at what the law says and what actually happened.
    And I explained that he did not commit murder.If he committed murder then he would be in prison right now not dealing with some fraudulent lawsuit from the scumbag's family. The fact he was not convicted of it murder proves he did not commit murder despite the evidence you claimed he did.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    My opinion stems entirely from the information in the article. Read the article and look at the standards for self defense. You are, presumably, aware that if you intentionally kill someone without a valid defense (such as self-defense) you have committed murder. So look at the article, look at the standards for self defense, then compare those standards to the actions that we know these guys committed. Try it. Seriously.
    and I'm sure all the facts were presented in an "article". gullible much? keep on believing whatever you want to believe. let your heart guide you to the path of enlightenment.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is not murder to use lethal force to defend yourself and property against burglars especially armed burglars.If what the property owner did was murder then he would be in prison right now.


    Actually it is in many cases. You do not have the right to use lethal force to counter a non-lethal situation. There is more lee-way when it is a residence. This was a business. This is really a case of a couple of thugs seeking to extract revenge on the next person that burglarized their business. The dead man and his friend were certainly not fine upstanding citizens, however, that doesn't change the actions of the two thugs in question here.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    And I explained that he did not commit murder.If he committed murder then he would be in prison right now not dealing with some fraudulent lawsuit from the scumbag's family. The fact he was not convicted of it murder proves he did not commit murder despite the evidence you claimed he did.
    He wasn't even tried for murder, which is the troubling part. I've said this to a couple of different people now (possibly including you), but let's try it again:

    Look at the standards for self-defense as laid out in the article. Then compare those standards to the actions of the shooter and his accomplices. Ask yourself, in all honesty, did their actions meet with the standards for self-defense? If the answer is no, then yes, they are murderers, whether a grand jury chose to indict them or not.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I can understand it as well, but it's still murder, and I have no sympathy for them. And to be clear, they weren't protecting their property. If they wanted to do that, their are a million things they could have done that don't involve killing someone. For example, get a couple of guard dogs. Put up barbed wire on the fence around your lot. Install an alarm system. The section I quoted makes it pretty clear that they were substantially less interested in protecting their property than they were in seeking revenge against whoever had taken their property, or, apparently, against whoever came along next. This is not remotely defensible in the modern era, and it's certainly not something the law either does or should support.
    They were indeed protecting their property...they just didnt do it the way YOU approve of. They didnt do it in a way 'I' would have done it either. They tried the police. That didnt work.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually it is in many cases. You do not have the right to use lethal force to counter a non-lethal situation. There is more lee-way when it is a residence. This was a business. This is really a case of a couple of thugs seeking to extract revenge on the next person that burglarized their business. The dead man and his friend were certainly not fine upstanding citizens, however, that doesn't change the actions of the two thugs in question here.
    yeah, how dare these thugs protect their property from fine upstanding individuals like this innocent victim
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    He wasn't even tried for murder, which is the troubling part. I've said this to a couple of different people now (possibly including you), but let's try it again:

    Look at the standards for self-defense as laid out in the article. Then compare those standards to the actions of the shooter and his accomplices. Ask yourself, in all honesty, did their actions meet with the standards for self-defense? If the answer is no, then yes, they are murderers, whether a grand jury chose to indict them or not.
    wrong bucko, contrary to what you WANT to believe, unless you are convicted you are not a murderer. are you a killer? yes. sorry that you hate the fact that some POS criminal thief got his ass blown away. build a memorial for him.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Invade my property, invite a bullet. It's that simple, ladies and gentlemen. In the case of this gentleman, I'd flat out refuse to pay the award. It's that simple. They were trespassing. That's a capital crime in my mind. Especially since they had to come over a fence to get onto the property. The fact that they were trying to steal anything is essentially irrelevant to the case so far as I'm concerned.
    Okay, and to follow your logic, the plaintiffs would then obtain an order to seize your property to satisfy the judgment against you, and if you resisted (i.e., stole property that belonged to them) the marshals or deputies would be justified in gunning you down. Makes sense to me.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and I'm sure all the facts were presented in an "article". gullible much?
    How is it gullible to use the information we have available rather than, e.g., conjecture? Is it possible there's something we don't know about? Obviously yes. I'm simply pointing out that based on the information in the article (i.e. the only information we have), these guys are murderers. It's not that complicated.

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    keep on believing whatever you want to believe. let your heart guide you to the path of enlightenment.
    Sorry, no. That sounds like new age nonsense. I'd prefer to continue to rely on reason, thanks.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Only to bleeding heart types who are already in favor of gun control.
    Only to rational people who believe that vigilante justice has no place in a civilized society.

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