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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

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    I don't think you appreciate the difference between never and improbable. In fact, your buddy AdamT was just arguing with Ikari about this difference being significant. Ikari pointed out that, based on statistics, it's wildly improbable that your McDonald's Coffee is hot enough to severely burn you. AdamT says that even though this probability is approximately 0.0, the fact that it's not is a big deal.
    You seem to have misunderstood the argument. McDonalds coffee was *always* hot enough to burn you. It happened on average 70 times a year.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Those engaged in felonies should have no recourse in either criminal or civil courts for damages they suffer in the course of their illegal transactions



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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You seem to have misunderstood the argument. McDonalds coffee was *always* hot enough to burn you. It happened on average 70 times a year.
    Happening 70 times in a year is a far cry from *always*, unless McDonalds sells only 70 coffees that year. Do lawyers think *sometimes* means *always*?
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Happening 70 times in a year is a far cry from *always*, unless McDonalds sells only 70 coffees that year. Do lawyers think *sometimes* means *always*?
    Now you seem to misunderstand the context of the word always as used above. Do mathematics students always have trouble understanding English?

    The coffee was always hot enough to cause third degree burns but coffee was not always spilled on flesh.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The coffee was always hot enough to cause third degree burns but coffee was not always spilled on flesh.
    In fact it was exceedingly rare for it to be spilled on the flesh long enough to cause third degree burns.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In fact it was exceedingly rare for it to be spilled on the flesh long enough to cause third degree burns.
    Yes, on a per-coffee basis. Not rare at all on an annual basis.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Now you seem to misunderstand the context of the word always as used above. Do mathematics students always have trouble understanding English?

    The coffee was always hot enough to cause third degree burns but coffee was not always spilled on flesh.
    You actually believe that every single cup of coffee served by McDonalds was hot enough to cause third degree burns? Give me a damn break! Common sense suggests there are customers who have complained their coffee is too cold, and thus third degree burns could not be caused even if it was poured on your sensitive areas.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    You actually believe that every single cup of coffee served by McDonalds was hot enough to cause third degree burns? Give me a damn break! Common sense suggests there are customers who have complained their coffee is too cold, and thus third degree burns could not be caused even if it was poured on your sensitive areas.
    Well, it seems like you're running into that problem discussed above, where you don't know the facts so you can't formulate an informed opinion. If you did have a better command of the facts you would know that McDonalds conceded this point. All of their coffee makers were set to a temperature such that coffee could induce third degree burns.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Those engaged in felonies should have no recourse in either criminal or civil courts for damages they suffer in the course of their illegal transactions
    Would you extend this opinion to murderers? Such as the defendants in this particular case?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, on a per-coffee basis. Not rare at all on an annual basis.
    A non-zero number of people win the lottery too...doesn't make it a good bet.
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