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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    another failed insult, so lame and predictable. Please I beg you just give us facts and substances instead of your opinion OR simply admit its JUST your opinion and you wont expose yourself so much.
    I think you've already had enough substances. Best to detox for a while.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They had set the temp of coffee to be rather high. It's not unprecedented and in fact in many forms of making coffee, the temp they used was the temp suggested for optimal brewing (though at the time McDonald's was still using that crappy coffee and so "optimal" is very subjective).

    The thing that really got the jury going was that they felt that McDonald's was being very dismissive of the temperature problem. There had been reports of burns as well, I forget the number off hand; but this wasn't the only case. McDonald's was questioned about this and they claimed that as a percentage of cups of coffee sold per year, the number of burn victims was essentially zero. This was, in fact, a statistically correct statement; it was several sub-percentages of total coffee sold. But the jury reacted emotionally to the statement rather than logically and heard McDonald's essentially say that all those people were zero. It went into the absurd and overly punitive monetary reward that the jury awarded the plaintiff.

    hmm interesting
    thanks for clearing that up

    so it basically turned into McDs looking like a major corp that was ****ting on the little guy and instead of caring that they may have hurt people, they painted themselves to look like they didnt give a **** buy quoting stats and it burned them in the end.

    thanks again!
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    hmm interesting
    thanks for clearing that up

    so it basically turned into McDs looking like a major corp that was ****ting on the little guy and instead of caring that they may have hurt people, they painted themselves to look like they didnt give a **** buy quoting stats and it burned them in the end.

    thanks again!
    When I get time im gonna have to look at it myself. Surprised it was never a movie lol.
    Spoiler alert!


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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

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    I think you've already had enough substances. Best to detox for a while.
    what is this failed attempt number #313?

    if i had substances in me it would be ME defending the dead armed junkie and making accuses for him, but, oddly its you.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The small number of previous complaints, some of which involved third degree burns such as occurred in the instant case, was 700.
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    Yes 700 cases and I believe it was something like 10 billion cups of coffee sold in that same time frame. What's 700/10 billion? Oh yeah...statistically zero.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

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    Spoiler alert!

    not sure why this is a spoiler alert I have seen pics of the incident.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
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    Yes 700 cases and I believe it was something like 10 billion cups of coffee sold in that same time frame. What's 700/10 billion? Oh yeah...statistically zero.
    And what makes it reasonable to figure the percentage? Seven hundred complaints of serious injury weren't enough to put them on notice that it might be a problem? What do you think would have been appropriate? They shouldn't do something until there were a million injuries?

    The irony is that the woman in question wasn't even trying to go after them. She just wanted them to cover her medical expenses. They essentially gave her the one finger salute.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Then yes, by this definition (which I don't agree with), it'd be murder. Technically they fit the motive-opportunity-intent criteria based on what was said earlier. Having said that, while a murder typically has those 3 elements, having those 3 elements does not make it murder necessarily. The reason they had 2 of the 3 is because they were unwillingly dragged into a potential life-or-death situation with myriad elements and variables. This is also why I don't fully buy self-defense. In situations like this, you can have a handbook, plans, designations, whatever...when it's crunch time, all rules are off. Patton said, "A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan next week". I'm just speaking for me. The only time I do not feel threatened is when I see them completely off my property, running like little girls. Hiding behind a building, also on my property, is not threat elimination in my book. If this makes me "liable", so be it. Maybe it's what we need to rethink some policies going now.
    I understand your feelings on the subject, but if we went too far in that direction (and there are a couple of states that have done so, in my opinion), we'd see an awful lot of unnecessary deaths. Also, these guys really weren't unwillingly dragged into this situation. As I pointed out to Ikari a page or two back (and to several others throughout this thread) these guys apparently told the cops - well in advance of this incident - that they intended to shoot the next person or people to invade their property. In other words they created a violent situation where none needed to exist. There are many ways they could have protected their property that didn't involve firing on two people. They could have invested in guard dogs, or barbed wire fences, or an alarm system. They did none of those things. It seems very likely to me that they were a lot more interested in vengeance than in protecting either themselves or their property.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And what makes it reasonable to figure the percentage? Seven hundred complaints of serious injury weren't enough to put them on notice that it might be a problem?
    If there were a problem, the number of complaints wouldn't be buried in statistical noise.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The irony is that the woman in question wasn't even trying to go after them. She just wanted them to cover her medical expenses. They essentially gave her the one finger salute.
    Yeah, McDonald's really screwed the granny on that one. Should have settled.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If there were a problem, the number of complaints wouldn't be buried in statistical noise.
    Seems to me it was a problem, serving a beverage hot enough to inflict third degree burns in a flimsy container passed into a vehicle.

    I am curious what percentage of customers you think needs to be seriously injured before it becomes something they should concern themselves with?

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