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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Hate to break it to y'all, but this is the kind of incident that lends support to gun control advocates -- not the other way around.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Lets make sure you play the analogy correctly. If Madoff was breaking into their house to steal their money then sure...fire when ready. If they caught him in the act...especially if they had previously requested help from say the S&E C, then yes...I could see them having a viable defense.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    who is talking about committing murder? you just keep on bending over and taking it up the butt from criminals
    How mature.

    I'm talking about committing murder because that's what these three guys did. Why the grand jury didn't indict is beyond me, but try this:

    Look at the standards for self defense laid out in the article, then compare them to the actions we know were taken by the three guys. Ask yourself, seriously, if they met the legal standards for self defense. If the answer is no, they are murderers. Probably first degree murderers since they planned ahead of time to shoot at someone. So I guess I've got to ask, why are you bending over for criminals?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hate to break it to y'all, but this is the kind of incident that lends support to gun control advocates -- not the other way around.
    Only to bleeding heart types who are already in favor of gun control.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Invade my property, invite a bullet. It's that simple, ladies and gentlemen. In the case of this gentleman, I'd flat out refuse to pay the award. It's that simple. They were trespassing. That's a capital crime in my mind. Especially since they had to come over a fence to get onto the property. The fact that they were trying to steal anything is essentially irrelevant to the case so far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    . Why the grand jury didn't indict is beyond me
    maybe because they weren't liberal, crybaby, handwringing, bedwetters and the actual evidence and facts showed that it wasn't murder.

    but, of course, people like you always know more about these things than the people who were actually involved.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They set out to protect their business. Why? Because they were being robbed by (armed) meth addicts and scumbags and the police didnt help. I personally wouldnt have shot them. Then again...I personally am not in their position.
    They never called the police (that night). They could have. They chose to shoot and kill someone instead. So saying that the police didn't help is a tad disingenuous. Especially given this (from the article):

    "Milanovic and his father told police a week before the shooting they would shoot any intruders who returned. Police say the men concealed the rifle in the trunk of a car so well that a police detective initially missed it during a search."

    They weren't interested in help from the police, they were interested in revenge. This is not just behavior, it's not legal, and it's not remotely civilized. Now, to be clear, I don't rate a junkie as a huge loss to the world, but I think murders should go to prison. Don't you?
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    maybe because they weren't liberal, crybaby, handwringing, bedwetters and the actual evidence and facts showed that it wasn't murder.

    but, of course, people like you always know more about these things than the people who were actually involved.
    My opinion stems entirely from the information in the article. Read the article and look at the standards for self defense. You are, presumably, aware that if you intentionally kill someone without a valid defense (such as self-defense) you have committed murder. So look at the article, look at the standards for self defense, then compare those standards to the actions that we know these guys committed. Try it. Seriously.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    They never called the police (that night). They could have. They chose to shoot and kill someone instead. So saying that the police didn't help is a tad disingenuous. Especially given this (from the article):

    "Milanovic and his father told police a week before the shooting they would shoot any intruders who returned. Police say the men concealed the rifle in the trunk of a car so well that a police detective initially missed it during a search."

    They weren't interested in help from the police, they were interested in revenge. This is not just behavior, it's not legal, and it's not remotely civilized. Now, to be clear, I don't rate a junkie as a huge loss to the world, but I think murders should go to jail. Don't you?
    They didnt call the police "that night". Why not? Could it be that their past experiences with police response was less than stellar? They didnt go on the prowl cruising the streets looking for a poor innocent widdle victim. They protected their property with extreme prejudice. Ive already said that I wouldnt have gone to that extreme. I can however understand them doing so.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They didnt call the police "that night". Why not? Could it be that their past experiences with police response was less than stellar? They didnt go on the prowl cruising the streets looking for a poor innocent widdle victim. They protected their property with extreme prejudice. Ive already said that I wouldnt have gone to that extreme. I can however understand them doing so.
    I can understand it as well, but it's still murder, and I have no sympathy for them. And to be clear, they weren't protecting their property. If they wanted to do that, their are a million things they could have done that don't involve killing someone. For example, get a couple of guard dogs. Put up barbed wire on the fence around your lot. Install an alarm system. The section I quoted makes it pretty clear that they were substantially less interested in protecting their property than they were in seeking revenge against whoever had taken their property, or, apparently, against whoever came along next. This is not remotely defensible in the modern era, and it's certainly not something the law either does or should support.

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