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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well that's all very symbolic, but in actual fact they are just nine individuals who may not represent the desire of THE PEOPLE in any way, shape, or form.
    Not according to the Founders. They were the last and ultimate check on government authority and power and had the rightful power to weigh fact of case and law applied.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Good point.
    lame point. and totally irrelevent
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It's a strange world where some of the citizens of the "Land of the Free" think that death is a reasonable punishment for attempted petty theft of a car stereo.
    Silly person...not a "reasonable punishment" as accorded by the courts, but a not to be unexpected consequence when caught in the act.What do you think poor widdle wobber would have done with any of those three knives had he simply been cornered by an unarmed lot attendant? Meth addicts are so reasonable and predictable...

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Who here said it is?

    I dont think its a reasonable punishment had he been caught down the street or taken to trail.

    Thats NOT what happened though, what happened is that this degenerate got caught in the act and got himself shot by people defending their property because this armed junkie couldn't be trusted. Hazard of being a high armed trespasser

    I dont think breaking an entering should be lawfully punished by death either but if while you are breaking and entering some old lady blows your head off too bad, should have kept your ass out her house and the confusion on whether "you were a threat or not" would never come into play.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I guess what I don't get is where the conclusion comes from that "the circumstances in the grand jury were more favorable to the prosecution". It wouldn't seem like it to me. A man, high on drugs and carrying multiple concealed weapons, was shot and killed during an attempt of grand theft auto. Can someone please explain to me where it would be more favorable for this man over victimized private property owners? I mean, the mere fact that Eminent Domain exists screams how the government is anti-landowner, but this is bordering on ridiculous.
    Civil juries are heavily manipulated by the lawyers who choose them. As such, emotional sway is very possible. Look at the McDonald's verdict all that time ago. Even if McDonald's was party at fault for bad lids or whatever; they were not at fault to the tune the Jury said they owed. They should have had to pay some percentage of medical bills and money lost from time away from work had they been rational.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and what, other than your obvious smug know-it-all-ness, has given any indication that "some of ya'll" don't realize this?

    double jeopardy, can't be tried for the same crime twice. if you were never tried.... duh
    probably just more dishonesty, i havent read every post but i havent seen anything that makes me think people here dont know that.

    as a matter of fact in one of my posts I said until that changes (referring to the ability of him still being charged for murder and brought to trail) let me know

    IF it ever goes to trail ad they are found guilty THEN I will call them murders but still disagree with the verdict. Currently they are not murders though.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Heh. Much of what you've said before and just here now we talked about a couple pages ago. I brought up McDonalds too, and I also questioned the "liability not guilt" thing you brought up when pertaining to civil court. Aderleth didn't seem to say I was wrong. I guess I'm glad I didn't skip the two or three days my biz law professor talked about this junk. Beats the holy hell out of contract law.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I guess what I don't get is where the conclusion comes from that "the circumstances in the grand jury were more favorable to the prosecution". It wouldn't seem like it to me. A man, high on drugs and carrying multiple concealed weapons, was shot and killed during an attempt of grand theft auto. Can someone please explain to me where it would be more favorable for this man over victimized private property owners? I mean, the mere fact that Eminent Domain exists screams how the government is anti-landowner, but this is bordering on ridiculous.
    Because in a normal trial (either civil or criminal) typically you have a prosecutor/plaintiff's lawyer making the case for the party that has been allegedly wronged, and you have a defense attorney making the case in favor of the defendant. The jury, therefore, hears two sides of the story, and all the available evidence, whether it's in favor of the defendant, or works against him.

    By contrast, in a grand jury, the only people present are the prosecutor and the jury. The jury just hears the prosecutor's case. They do not hear any of the defense's arguments, do not see evidence brought by the defendant, etc. In a nutshell, they're hearing a one-sided version of events. Obviously a one-sided argument is inherently more favorable to the side that makes the argument.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and what, other than your obvious smug know-it-all-ness, has given any indication that "some of ya'll" don't realize this?

    double jeopardy, can't be tried for the same crime twice. if you were never tried.... duh
    In part it was your overbearingly ignorant replies that gave me some indication that you thought that this was a dead letter as far as criminal prosecution goes.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Civil juries are heavily manipulated by the lawyers who choose them. As such, emotional sway is very possible. Look at the McDonald's verdict all that time ago. Even if McDonald's was party at fault for bad lids or whatever; they were not at fault to the tune the Jury said they owed. They should have had to pay some percentage of medical bills and money lost from time away from work had they been rational.
    You realize that criminal juries go through the same process, right?

    And FYI, you might want to do a little research before you assume that the McDonalds jury was off its rocker.

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