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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes. yes they do. It was acknowledge, encouraged, and used in our history.
    It certainly is not encouraged NOW. The jury is the finder of FACT. The law is provided in the form of jury instructions. It is the jury's duty to determine the facts and apply them to the law according to the jury instructions. If, on appeal, it's determined that the jury did not apply the law correctly, the decision can be overturned. That doesn't happen often because it's hard to prove.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    in fact, they ambushed the burglars.
    Guess they shouldn't have been stealing. You cannot argue that had they not first chosen to break the law and violate the rights of others that he would still be dead.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    in fact, they ambushed the burglars.
    boo ****ing hoo. maybe the next burglars will think twice
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It certainly is not encouraged NOW. The jury is the finder of FACT. The law is provided in the form of jury instructions. It is the jury's duty to determine the facts and apply them to the law according to the jury instructions. If, on appeal, it's determined that the jury did not apply the law correctly, the decision can be overturned. That doesn't happen often because it's hard to prove.
    Ron Paul endorses it. It is in fact a VERY important aspect of our judicial system and one of the ultimate checks on government power and authority. It should still be well understood and encouraged. The jury has every right to weigh case and law.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Note to self: If you don't want to get shot by a property owner, don't break onto his/her property high on drugs and armed with 3 knives
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ron Paul endorses it. It is in fact a VERY important aspect of our judicial system and one of the ultimate checks on government power and authority. It should still be well understood and encouraged. The jury has every right to weigh case and law.
    Ron Paul isn't the Supreme Court ... thank God.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They were looking for this specific guy? ****, why didn't you tell the police that the whole thing was a set up to lure this specific individual to their lot so they could kill him! Holy crap. Oh...wait, they were looking for the guy who kept breaking into their business and stealing their stuff....not some random drug addict on the street.



    Guess the cops should have done something. Oh well...whenever you need a cop; they're 10 minutes away.



    Wrong. It is the fundamental basis for rights. It should be understood by those living in a democratic republic built upon the protection and proliferation of an individual's rights.



    Well the Grand Jury didn't indict.
    color me surprised. colorado springs, after all. the prosecutor didn't need a grand jury.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Ron Paul isn't the Supreme Court ... thank God.
    More like "too bad". I have always felt the rightful place for libertarians were in the courts as they have a better understanding the basic limitations of the courts and the proper power of the People to police and control the authority of the government. There are others sympathetic to the rightful power of the jury to nullify unjust law.

    Clay Conrad, a jury scholar and attorney, argues that there is nothing "wrong" with jury nullification; nullification is part and parcel of what a jury is all about. Conrad argues that the nullification power has sometimes been abused, as has all power. However, the abuses have been exaggerated to discredit the nullification idea itself.[39]

    The late Chief Justice of the Washington State Supreme Court William C. Goodloe was an advocate of jury nullification and suggested that the following instruction be given by judges to all juries in criminal cases:[40]
    “ You are instructed that this being a criminal case you are the exclusive judges of the evidence, the credibility of the witnesses and the weight to be given to their testimony, and you have a right also to determine the law in the case. The court does not intend to express any opinion concerning the weight of the evidence, but it is the duty of the court to advise you as to the law, and it is your duty to consider the instructions of the court; yet in your decision upon the merits of the case you have a right to determine for yourselves the law as well as the facts by which your verdict shall be governed. ”

    The United States Libertarian Party's platform states, "We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law."
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and time #10 they will turn and blow your ****ing head off. I'd rather not take my chances.
    Well, that would be where you beat him to the punch. But shoot an unarmed man breaking into your car and make sure you give me your contact info, I'll write you in prison.

    Nobody said you can't hold him at gunpoint, they said you can't SHOOT him. If you have a gun pointed at this man yelling at him to get his hands up and he still manages to reach into his pants, pull a handgun and shoot you before you have time to pull the trigger, then you are one slow ass mother ****er. The fact of the matter remains, shoot someone in a situation where a reasonable jury would say you were not in danger and you will SPEND THE REST OF YOUR LIFE IN PRISON. You can tell your cell mate how tough you were shooting an unarmed man and he can probably tell you a story one better. Then you can stare at the walls of an 8x10 room for the rest of your life.

    Is it worth it to shoot someone who poses no threat to you? No, I don't think so. I refuse to let some unarmed SOB ruin the rest of my life.

    But for the record, knives are weapons. He wasn't prosecuted because the perp was armed. Had he not have knives, I would be willing to bet the world that he would have been prosecuted as a murderer.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth
    That is an excellent question, and it's the crux of what I was getting at in my last post to you. Because remember, the civil jury actually did find these guys guilty of exactly the same behavior, and that jury heard both the prosecution evidence (actually plaintiff's evidence, because it's a civil trial), and the defense version of events. Put simply:

    - The civil trial had evidence in favor of the defendants, and found them guilty
    - The grand jury just heard the evidence most favorable to the prosecution, and never heard the defendant's side of things at all. No indictment.

    Both used the same standard of proof. So how, exactly, does that make any sense? Can we square these two conclusions? No we cannot.
    Ok, I'm no lawyer. I didn't go to law school, and all my law classes were business law. Having said that, I was told ad nauseum (yeah, I had to know some Latin) that you're not found guilty or not guilty in civil court, you're found liable or not liable. I was also informed that it's not so much that you're found liable, but how much you're found liable, and punitive reparations are made based on that (often based on percentage).

    If that's right, it also makes for a screwed-up civil litigation basis. After all you can always put a tiny bit on anyone. In theory, McDonalds could've been partially liable for that woman spilling hot coffee all over herself because they gave it to her when she paid for it.

    Therefore, all you have to do is find a liberal lawyer adept at spinning tales of woe about how this poor druggie's daughter will never grow up knowing exactly what a dead-beat daddy really was, and that the big, bad entrepreneurs were all to blame. Then you surgically remove the wallet.

    Any addendums or alternations you want to make?

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