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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    innocent until proven guilty? anyone?
    oj was innocent, got it.

    how does shooting someone through a door not rate a charge? the prosecutor should be drummed out of office.
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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    I actually do have a relative like that...few, actually. I've pretty much ostracized them. They're no kin to me. They're low-lifes that would grant a net benefit to society were they to die...much like this guy who died.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Not according to one grand jury, no. According to the civil jury they did.
    civil juries don't determine whether or not a crime occurred. you would think a lawyer would know that.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Burglary is force used against the rights and liberties of another individual. It is force, if the first act it is the aggressor act.
    Not according to the law it's not.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    It is against the law to be a vigilante. It appears they vigilantes were waiting for the thief, so that means they were there as vigilantes first, and they made the first agressive move first, as they killed him before he was able to steal.

    Granted that if they would have called police and the police ended up shooting him, it would have been okay - those are our laws, you don't have to like them but should obey them.
    They were "vigilantes" (not sure it's correct in this context) because someone was breaking into their property and stealing their stuff. They watched for it to protect their property. They cannot be the first aggressor. Otherwise they would have hunted the man down without him having first violating their rights. But that was not the case. Cause and effect as it is.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    correct. oj was innocent. thanks.
    who here has said he wasn't? If you would actually read the thread, instead of trying to be a smartass, you would have notice that I, on more than on occasion, said that OJ was not guilty of murder.

    thanks for playing
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    civil juries don't determine whether or not a crime occurred. you would think a lawyer would know that.
    They determined that the civil equivalent of murder occurred. And if you look at the language in the article, you'll find that their factual conclusions mirror the elements of the murder statute.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Jury by peers is to be the ultimate check on government power. Government can pass all the laws they want, but if the jury of peers does not agree with the law, they do not give a guilty verdict. Jury nullification is one of the MOST important duties of a jury.
    Laws are passed in our democracy. A group of nine people don't get to pick and choose which laws they like and which laws they don't like.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Not according to the law it's not.
    Violation of rights requires force. Theft of property is violation of rights, it requires a force to accomplish. That force was FIRST levied and the reaction was then the shooting. Whether or not you think the shooting was right or wrong, if you're going to be honest you must recognize whom the original aggressor was. The three men were not looking for this guy, they were not patrolling the streets, trying to find his home. The responded to an action taken against their rights. We can argue whether or not the response was within the law as written or even "right"'; but it DOES NOT CHANGE THE ORDER OF EVENTS.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    They determined that the civil equivalent of murder occurred. And if you look at the language in the article, you'll find that their factual conclusions mirror the elements of the murder statute.
    civil equivalent of murder
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