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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Arderleth seems to think that there was a conspiracy to shoot "this" man. There was not, and the fact that a civil jury was diped into believing that a "robbery" plan was any different thatn having one for your home is insane, and goes to show that Arderleth would have fit nicely into this jury..


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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You're making a mistake by characterizing my attitude as emotional. This is a common enough trope from certain types of right wing mentalities, and it's just as ignorant and misguided as people on the left assuming that right wing conservatives are heartless and selfish. I suggest you rid yourself of this particular prejudice, then go back and look at my comments again.
    Ive read your comments. All of them. So where is your compassion for the immigrant businessman that is being robbed blind by the meth addict. The same businessman that left everything back in his home country and actually built a business that is being robbed by a scumbag meth addict leech...that attempted to call the police with no results. Nah...they arent the 'victims'....they conspired to commit murder...remember?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    a single tear rolls down my cheek. maybe if people like you didn't coddle criminals we would have less of these type events.
    Actually, I have no interest in coddling criminals, which is why when people like you talk about committing murder, I call them on it. I derive a certain pleasure from pointing out hypocrisy.

    As I pointed out to Vince, this has ****all to do with feeling bad for the junkie who got shot.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Ah, the Charles Bronson mentality. I'd advise you not to do that. You probably won't be as lucky as these guys were, and you'll end up serving a lengthy prison sentence as the murderer you seem interested in becoming.
    I don't think he professed interest in murdering anyone. However, it was stated that if they were in his house, he would defend himself. It's not outrageous. Someone stealing something in your yard; yeah maybe you can chase them off. Someone in your house, a different story. There's no necessity to wait to see in that few seconds how much of a threat they are; the mere fact that they broke into your home is threat enough.

    I can see rules against shooting a fleeing suspect. You shouldn't have carte blanche right to shoot anyone on your property for any reason. But one is most certainly allowed to defend themselves and their property and should a person be a threat, such as the one created if they break into your home, then people may respond in a way to protect themselves.

    You said "This is a common enough trope from certain types of right wing mentalities, and it's just as ignorant and misguided as people on the left assuming that right wing conservatives are heartless and selfish. I suggest you rid yourself of this particular prejudice, then go back and look at my comments again." I believe you should heed your own words.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ive read your comments. All of them. So where is your compassion for the immigrant businessman that is being robbed blind by the meth addict. The same businessman that left everything back in his home country and actually built a business that is being robbed by a scumbag meth addict leech...that attempted to call the police with no results. Nah...they arent the 'victims'....they conspired to commit murder...remember?
    Again, you're making an emotional appeal. I have no compassion for either the murderers or the robber. I do have an interest in seeing people behave in a civilized fashion and within the bounds of the law. The three businessmen you're so fond of deliberately set out to kill someone. They did so independent of any actual threat this (at the time hypothetical) intruder might represent. They were taking revenge. A civilized society cannot and generally does not condone such actions. It's murder, pure and simple. Why you'd want to focus on petty theft as some hugely bad thing, but then give deliberate murderers a free pass is completely beyond me. How is the hypocrisy of such a thing not readily apparent?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    I wonder if this attitude extends to other cases. Would it have been acceptable, for example, for one of Madoff's victims to go to Madoff's house and shoot him in cold blood? Certainly Madoff was a much bigger criminal....

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Actually, I have no interest in coddling criminals, which is why when people like you talk about committing murder, I call them on it. I derive a certain pleasure from pointing out hypocrisy.

    As I pointed out to Vince, this has ****all to do with feeling bad for the junkie who got shot.
    who is talking about committing murder? you just keep on bending over and taking it up the butt from criminals
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I think we should just give every thief in the country Arderleth's home address and see how he reacts when they come to take his ****
    I actually really ,ike that idea. In fact...if they had the balls to back their conviction they would just put up signs in their yard..."come and get it!!!"

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Again, you're making an emotional appeal. I have no compassion for either the murderers or the robber. I do have an interest in seeing people behave in a civilized fashion and within the bounds of the law. The three businessmen you're so fond of deliberately set out to kill someone. They did so independent of any actual threat this (at the time hypothetical) intruder might represent. They were taking revenge. A civilized society cannot and generally does not condone such actions. It's murder, pure and simple. Why you'd want to focus on petty theft as some hugely bad thing, but then give deliberate murderers a free pass is completely beyond me. How is the hypocrisy of such a thing not readily apparent?
    They set out to protect their business. Why? Because they were being robbed by (armed) meth addicts and scumbags and the police didnt help. I personally wouldnt have shot them. Then again...I personally am not in their position.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think he professed interest in murdering anyone. However, it was stated that if they were in his house, he would defend himself.
    You might want to re-read the article. No one was in anyone's house. This is from the article:

    "Corbin testified he saw two armed men charge out of a building and run in their direction, one of them shouting “we’re gonna get you” in an obscenity-laced threat. Corbin, who escaped by climbing over a car and jumping a fence, said he felt a bullet pass by him as someone fired four gunshots."


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    "The three men were accused of keeping an armed vigil over the auto lot and firing on the first burglars they saw. The men were angry over a series of thefts that began when someone broke in a week earlier and stole keys to customers’ automobiles as well as keys to buildings on the property."

    So. In a nutshell. Some other person or people (or possibly the guys who got shot or shot at) had been stealing from these three men out of their place of business. They armed themselves, waited at their place of business (NOT at their homes), then fired - with no provocation - at the first intruders they saw. They had no reason, at the time, to believe the two intruders represented a threat to them, let alone the sort of deadly threat that might justify self-defense. They could have armed themselves with tazers and incapacitated the intruders. They could have held them at gunpoint and waited for the police to arrive. They chose to fire multiple gunshots at people who were not attacking them and not visibly armed. If you look to the standards for self defense laid out in the article, it's pretty obvious that the law does not support such an action which is, essentially, a revenge killing.

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