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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    again...opinion
    No, not really. According to Black's Law Dictionary:

    "Aggressor: One who first employs hostile force.... The party who first offers violence or offense. He who begins a quarrel or dispute, either by threatening or striking another, that justifies a response."

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT
    I haven't seen anything to suggest that the burglars did anything but run away when they were confronted.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they run into an enclosed building on the premises? Is that what you call running "away"?

    In my world, running "away" means hauling more buns than a bakery truck toward anything remotely considered public domain. Besides, if they were trying to get "away" (which seems logical to me), encapsulating themselves into a building on the property seems like a poor way to go about it.

    But hey, maybe we vary in our definitions of "away".

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You're playing word games. Aggressor simply means a person who attacks you physically.
    Or the one who makes the first aggressive move. Which in this case would be the thief, as he was the first individual to violate rights and was the initiator of the scenario which led to his death.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    wrong, the alleged lawyers here just don't like the outcome. they think these guys should be in jail and the law be damned.
    are you now an attorney AND a mind reader? they should have been charged, the law demanded it. that they weren't is worrisome.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

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    You and the others are arguing that you don't like what the law says and don't think that it should have been followed.
    Which is the precise reason as to why we have jury of peers to begin with.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, not really. According to Black's Law Dictionary:

    "Aggressor: One who first employs hostile force.... The party who first offers violence or offense. He who begins a quarrel or dispute, either by threatening or striking another, that justifies a response."
    by committing a criminal act of breaking onto the property, the drug addict began the quarrel.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    are you now an attorney AND a mind reader? they should have been charged, the law demanded it. that they weren't is worrisome.
    the grand jury thought otherwise.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think judge and jury should be piss tested to see if maybe they were high when they came to the conclusion that a burglar's family should be able to sue someone defending their property.


    Jury sides with burglar's family in 2009 shooting death at auto lot | jury, burglar, lot - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO
    An El Paso County jury on Friday awarded nearly $300,000 to the daughter of a burglar who was fatally shot in 2009 while breaking into an auto lot.
    Parents of the victim, Robert Johnson Fox, embraced their attorneys after a judge announced the jury’s verdict, capping a two-week-long civil trial in which business owner Jovan Milanovic and two relatives were painted as vigilantes who plotted a deadly ambush rather than let authorities deal with a string of recent burglaries.
    Phillip and Sue Fox, who filed suit for wrongful death in 2010 on behalf of Fox’s 3-year-old daughter, called the jury’s award a victory in their fight to seek accountability for the death of their son, who they say never posed a threat to the heavily armed men.
    “Rob was in the wrong place doing the wrong thing, but the punishment didn’t fit the crime,” Sue Fox said afterward. “I can’t excuse his actions, but he didn’t deserve to be executed.”
    The exact amount of the award was $269,500, for factors such as loss of companionship and loss of future earnings. The family will also be awarded some of the costs associated with the more than yearlong legal battle.
    The jury of three men and three women deliberated for 2½ days over closely contested testimony about the predawn shooting on April 19, 2009.

    Read more: Jury sides with burglar's family in 2009 shooting death at auto lot | jury, burglar, lot - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO
    On the surface it seems rather unfair, but looking at it from another angle, do we really want to encourage vigilantes? I bet those complaining about this would be the first ones to whine if one of their relatives were killed in what may seem as a crime but actually set up to look like one by someone that would take advantage of a more draconian jury. That's why we have the authorities, to take care of criminals.



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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    It also doesn't matter one iota to me who is a lawyer and who is not. The "law" was upheld in criminal court in which they were acquitted. Unfortunately, civil court lawyers are emotional predators who create sympathy for those who deserve none, and are rewarded by a faulty system designed to reward based on emotion and subjectivity.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they run into an enclosed building on the premises? Is that what you call running "away"?

    In my world, running "away" means hauling more buns than a bakery truck toward anything remotely considered public domain. Besides, if they were trying to get "away" (which seems logical to me), encapsulating themselves into a building on the property seems like a poor way to go about it.

    But hey, maybe we vary in our definitions of "away".
    Well, HE WAS BEING SHOT AT and he ran into a storage shed BECAUSE HE WAS BEING SHOT AT. So yeah, I think he was running away.

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