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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Thankfully the law disagree with you. Lethal force must be proportionate.
    If the law disagreed with me then the property owners who were defending their property and themselves against scumbags would have been tried and sentenced.So apparently the law does agree with me.

    The fact the scumbag's daughter was allowed to sue and win only proves that the standard for civil trial is incredibly low.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    If someone is breaking into your car you can yell at them saying hey what are you doing and they will run away 9 times out of 10.
    Yep, and the next time they try it with someone else they're even more dangerous because they're even more desparate and maybe that time they do bring a club, knife, gun, etc... with them and things don't go so nicely for Granny or that nice college girl down the road. These guys did the world a favor by removing a pice of crap from it and thereby improving the gene pool at the same time. Unfortunately he'd already procreated and passed his thieving genes on to his daughter, but it was worth a try.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Common sense is the first judge.

    If someone is breaking into your car you can yell at them saying hey what are you doing and they will run away 9 times out of 10.
    And there is the chance that scumbag may kill you or beat the living **** out of you right there on the spot or that scumbag may come back later to do those things.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    The LAW sided with the owners. I don't know why people keep saying otherwise.

    The JURORS sided, at least in part, with the victim's family. It's the fallacy of civil court. In criminal court, you're innocent until proven guilty. In civil court, you're liable until proven not liable. It's set on a percentage, which is entirely too subjective, and based on the whims of emotions. It's why Democrat lawyers make such great civil litigators. They are masters of telling a giant sob story to find those with money liable and responsible for anything and everything. Gore and Edwards got disgustingly rich off this crap in "tort court" and class-actions. Kerry would have too, if he didn't marry a woman worth 300 mil, only to divorce her for another worth 700 mil.

    If civil cases were tried in a method similar to criminal cases, these owners wouldn't have owed a red penny. That would have been a victory for the side of law-abiding citizens and a warning to drugged-out pieces of trash.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    In a common law country - the jury.
    Those property owners were not found guilty in a criminal court by a jury. Criminal trials must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Civil trials require the preponderance of the evidence(more probable than not), which basically means the evidence for it is much significantly lower than the evidence that is required for beyond a reasonable doubt conviction.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you are
    You cannot possibly be suggesting that by disagreeing with the actions of one group of people (the murderers) I must, by default, support the actions of the other group (the junkies). Surely you're not that simple minded. Right? You are aware that it's possible to believe that both groups were basically engaged in bad actions, yes?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The LAW sided with the owners. I don't know why people keep saying otherwise.

    I think its funny how they keep claiming murder.If what these men did was murder then they would have been charged.There is pretty convincing evidence that one of the shop owners shot the burglar. One of the owners admitting to shooting the burglar, which I am sure they did when they called 911 to report a break in and shooting and when they talked to the police and whoever else, which basically a confession. I am pretty sure if they did a ballistics test on the bullet in the dead scumbag then they should be able trace it to the gun that fired it, which by itself is not proof who shot the gun but there is a confession which strengthens this evidence. They got motive which is protect their property after being previously robbed. So these people saying its murder or that these men violated the law can not claim that a grand jury or who ever simply did not have any evidence what ever to criminally charge these men
    Last edited by jamesrage; 08-30-11 at 02:57 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You cannot possibly be suggesting that by disagreeing with the actions of one group of people (the murderers) I must, by default, support the actions of the other group (the junkies). Surely you're not that simple minded. Right? You are aware that it's possible to believe that both groups were basically engaged in bad actions, yes?
    but that has not been your arguement. you've been bleating on and on about how the "victim" wasn't a threat, etc. etc. etc. so, yes, you have been defending him
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You cannot possibly be suggesting that by disagreeing with the actions of one group of people (the murderers) I must, by default, support the actions of the other group (the junkies). Surely you're not that simple minded. Right? You are aware that it's possible to believe that both groups were basically engaged in bad actions, yes?
    Abortionist in abortion debates point out that if it is legal to kill someone then it is not murder if it is illegal to kill someone then it is murder. Murder is basically the unlawful killing of another person under circumstances defined by the law. If what these men did was murder then they would have been tried in court, convicted and currently serving time behind bars. Apparently what these men did was legal seeing how they were not tried in court,convicted and serving a sentence.



    - FindLaw
    : the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing another under circumstances defined by statute (as with premeditation)
    Last edited by jamesrage; 08-30-11 at 03:02 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by oscar
    you've been bleating on and on about how the "victim" wasn't a threat
    That's the part I don't get. If you, a stranger, illegally traspass onto my property, at night, unbeknownst to me, you are a threat to me. I don't give a good hot damn what the LAW says. All it says is that we need to remedy what the LAW says.

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