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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Not as sad as the fact that 3 people who conspired to commit murder got off with only a $260k penalty instead of a lengthy prison sentence. Unless, of course, you think robbery should be punished with the death penalty. Without a trial or other Constitutional Due Process.
    My heart is just bleeding for him. Personally? I wouldnt have shot him. However a meth addict carrying three lethal weapons in the commission of a crime doesnt exactly extract much by way from sympathy from me. So...there is a lesson to be learned here...hey...kids...dont do meth, dont attempt to steal ****, and dont break into a private citizens business or property. You go ahead and cry enough for all of us...k?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    The only time it is morally acceptable to kill somebody, in my opinion, is to protect your own safety or somebody else's safety, not your stuff. Stuff is just stuff. Killing somebody over mere stuff is murder in my opinion. Somebody who kills a human being to defend say $100 worth of stuff isn't a whole lot better than somebody who kills a human being to steal $100 worth of stuff. Either way the real core of where they went wrong was to value a human life at less than $100.

    Legally it varies by state. In some states that is the law- you can only kill somebody in actual self defense. In other states they extend it to defending your home. In a few they extend it to defending mere property outside of your home.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Unless, of course, you think robbery should be punished with the death penalty. Without a trial or other Constitutional Due Process.
    actually, in cases like this where the "victim" is caught redhanded. I do. let them come try to rob my property and not only will I shoot and kill them...I will feed their remains to my freakin dogs and burn the bones the dogs don't eat.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The only time it is morally acceptable to kill somebody, in my opinion, is to protect your own safety, not your stuff. Stuff is just stuff. Killing somebody over just stuff is insane.

    Legally it varies by state. In some states that is the law- you can only kill somebody in actual self defense. In other states they extend it to defending your home. In a few they extend it to defending mere property outside of your home.
    A refugee that has come from a despotic country and worked to build a business might view things a little differently...like...theft from business as a matter of survival. Especially when that businessman had attempted to engage the police following previous incidents.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    actually, in cases like this where the "victim" is caught redhanded. I do. let them come try to rob my property and not only will I shoot and kill them...I will feed their remains to my freakin dogs and burn the bones the dogs don't eat.
    Yeah...that whole 'trial' thing looks a little differently when you are caught in the act huh?
    I personally would not shoot someone stealing an item from my home. Breaking in? Walking down a hallway? Armed? No problem.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    My heart is just bleeding for him. Personally? I wouldnt have shot him. However a meth addict carrying three lethal weapons in the commission of a crime doesnt exactly extract much by way from sympathy from me. So...there is a lesson to be learned here...hey...kids...dont do meth, dont attempt to steal ****, and dont break into a private citizens business or property. You go ahead and cry enough for all of us...k?
    You're making a mistake by characterizing my attitude as emotional. This is a common enough trope from certain types of right wing mentalities, and it's just as ignorant and misguided as people on the left assuming that right wing conservatives are heartless and selfish. I suggest you rid yourself of this particular prejudice, then go back and look at my comments again.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yeah...that whole 'trial' thing looks a little differently when you are caught in the act huh?
    I personally would not shoot someone stealing an item from my home. Breaking in? Walking down a hallway? Armed? No problem.
    if they are just out in the yard trying to steal stuff, yeah a simple warning shot or just letting them see my weapon and a friendly warning to GTFO and never come back. but if they ever try to come inside...I will not hesitate to engage with extreme prejudice.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    actually, in cases like this where the "victim" is caught redhanded. I do. let them come try to rob my property and not only will I shoot and kill them...I will feed their remains to my freakin dogs and burn the bones the dogs don't eat.
    Ah, the Charles Bronson mentality. I'd advise you not to do that. You probably won't be as lucky as these guys were, and you'll end up serving a lengthy prison sentence as the murderer you seem interested in becoming.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yeah...that whole 'trial' thing looks a little differently when you are caught in the act huh?
    I personally would not shoot someone stealing an item from my home. Breaking in? Walking down a hallway? Armed? No problem.
    Arderleth seems to think that there was a conspiracy to shoot "this" man. There was not, and the fact that a civil jury was duped into believing that a "robbery" plan was any different thatn having one for your home is insane, and goes to show that Arderleth would have fit nicely into this jury..


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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Ah, the Charles Bronson mentality. I'd advise you not to do that. You probably won't be as lucky as these guys were, and you'll end up serving a lengthy prison sentence as the murderer you seem interested in becoming.
    a single tear rolls down my cheek. maybe if people like you didn't coddle criminals we would have less of these type events.
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