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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

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    Which is better, no father or an alcoholic father who molests his daughter? I rest my case.

    What is best is if you stop using fallacies and stick to facts. Where is the evidence that he molested his daughter? How do you know what the daughter feel? Some children want to know their parents despite a criminal past, who are you to say this girl wouldn't?



    This thread is full of hypocrisy, on the one hand people are using the fact that there was no criminal trial to say that the owners didn't commit murder, then turn around and say the jury was wrong in convicting him of wrongful killing. Either the system works, or it doesn't, you don't get to say that it works when it suit your arguement then say it's not when it doesn't.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    What is best is if you stop using fallacies and stick to facts. Where is the evidence that he molested his daughter? How do you know what the daughter feel? Some children want to know their parents despite a criminal past, who are you to say this girl wouldn't?



    This thread is full of hypocrisy, on the one hand people are using the fact that there was no criminal trial to say that the owners didn't commit murder, then turn around and say the jury was wrong in convicting him of wrongful killing. Either the system works, or it doesn't, you don't get to say that it works when it suit your arguement then say it's not when it doesn't.
    I actually pretty much agree with your second paragraph. The firs...well...it isnt for ANY of us to to say what is good for the child. That question is irrelevant and was made irrelevant by the actions of the father which resulted in him getting his meth addicted 3 knive carrying self shot. Opinions on the outcome? That we got plenty of.

    I agree...he shouldnt have been charged with murder. I have said that were it me (and knowing only the limited info that we do) I wouldnt have shot. The civil suit sounds OK though I think them claiming as much as they did for loss of income and companionship is a helluva stretch. This one particular meth addict is out of society. They got him out of society before he happened upon his next victim with his three knives and something bad happened. Im not seeing too many tragic downsides, and what downside their is can be laid at the feet of meth daddy.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'll defer to the late Colonel Jeff Cooper on this issue.... "I'd rather be judged by twelve men than carried by six."

    I'm a "shoot first, don't bother to ask questions" type and always will be. I have no more problem shooting a burglar in the back as he's running away than I do shooting him in the chest.
    A shoot first attitude may sound macho to some but in reality it's irresponsible and the shooter in this case is fortunate not to be facing criminal charges.

    The law is clear and the police have the same restrictions.

    You don't fire unless you feel you our another are in an eminent life threatening situation.

    You may think it makes one sound like a tough guy but it's silly and the law is clear.

    I have taken a course in carrying a concealed weapon and it's use and the laws are clear.

    BTW I scored 100% on both the written test and the the firing range qualifying test. But I have been shooting since I was about 10.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    You don't fire unless you feel you our another are in an eminent life threatening situation.
    and who gets to decide if YOU feel that YOU are in eminent danger?
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

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    I actually pretty much agree with your second paragraph. The firs...well...it isnt for ANY of us to to say what is good for the child. That question is irrelevant and was made irrelevant by the actions of the father which resulted in him getting his meth addicted 3 knive carrying self shot. Opinions on the outcome? That we got plenty of.
    It was in response to emotional appeal like the claim that he molested his daughter without showing evidence that he did. Or your use of "meth addicted 3 knives carrying". Was the knives even in his hands when he was shot?

    The question of what is good for the girl is relevant for the jury. And since most of us are not privy to what the jury know, I don't see anyone here qualified to say whether the award of damages is correct or not.



    I agree...he shouldnt have been charged with murder. I have said that were it me (and knowing only the limited info that we do) I wouldnt have shot. The civil suit sounds OK though I think them claiming as much as they did for loss of income and companionship is a helluva stretch. This one particular meth addict is out of society. They got him out of society before he happened upon his next victim with his three knives and something bad happened. Im not seeing too many tragic downsides, and what downside their is can be laid at the feet of meth daddy.
    So what if you don't see "too many tragic downsides"? That is irrelevant. And you just said it is not for you to say anyway. This is about whether laws were broken, or if the Law should be on the book in the first place.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

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    and who gets to decide if YOU feel that YOU are in eminent danger?
    In a common law country - the jury.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Did burglars trespass and were attempting to steal from the property owner? Yes? then I would say the property owner was justified in using lethal force.
    Thankfully the law disagree with you. Lethal force must be proportionate.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and who gets to decide if YOU feel that YOU are in eminent danger?
    It doesn't matter what you feel. The standard is not subjective, it is objective. It only matters what a reasonable person in your situation would feel.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It doesn't matter what you feel. The standard is not subjective, it is objective. It only matters what a reasonable person in your situation would feel.
    and since the criminal case never went to trial...apparently the grand jury agrees with me
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