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Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

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Yeah, but not a "good" one, I guess. Of course, then again, if you read the Bible you'll see a very, VERY violent book. So who knows?

I know. It's not for you to judge whether a man is worthy of death.

Spare me the "what would Jesus do" banter, please.

Your loss.
 
Yeah, but not a "good" one, I guess. Of course, then again, if you read the Bible you'll see a very, VERY violent book. So who knows?

Spare me the "what would Jesus do" banter, please.

Yep, it is a pretty obscure point -- pretty hard to interpret: "Thou shalt not kill...."
 
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Watch me. I shoot him and I walk away scott-free. Nobody could hear him say that. When the police arrive, all they'll see is a man they believe is shaken up, putting on an Oscar-winning performance in front of a corpse with the intention of robbing and maybe killing him. Maybe I thought he had a weapon and began to pull it on me. Maybe he said a death threat to me.

When I walk out of court, watch me live it up at T.G.I. Fridays. Better luck next time, counsel.

Best part? One less piece of trash in the world today.

You could also walk up behind a stranger in a deserted alley and put two behind his ear and probably get away with it. But that doesn't make it legal or ethical.
 
Did burglars trespass and were attempting to steal from the property owner? Yes? then I would say the property owner was justified in using lethal force.

So you're walking down the street one day. You notice a dollar bill in my yard just off the parking strip. You step into my yard and pick it up to take it. It's right then and there that I'll blow your ass to kingdom come. And in your compassionate conservative way you think you had it coming?

You can't make this **** up.
 
Yep, it is a pretty obscure point -- pretty hard to interpret: "Thou shalt not kill...."

Actually it is thou shalt not murder. Thou shalt not kill is a mistranslation. Because if you bothered to read other parts of the bible you would know that they had the death penalty for various offenses, killing is permitted in certain situations and occasionally they engaged in warfare. In the King James version of the bible in the new Testament Jesus uses the word murder not killing.Both of these things indicates that the King James translation messed up on Exodus 20:13.

Matthew 19:18 KJV - He saith unto him Which Jesus said Thou - Bible Gateway
8He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
 
So you're walking down the street one day. You notice a dollar bill in my yard just off the parking strip. You step into my yard and pick it up to take it. It's right then and there that I'll blow your ass to kingdom come. And in your compassionate conservative way you think you had it coming?

You can't make this **** up.

That is not in any shape or form similar to the OP story. Thanks for playing though.
 
Watch me. I shoot him and I walk away scott-free. Nobody could hear him say that. When the police arrive, all they'll see is a man they believe is shaken up, putting on an Oscar-winning performance in front of a corpse with the intention of robbing and maybe killing him. Maybe I thought he had a weapon and began to pull it on me. Maybe he said a death threat to me.

When I walk out of court, watch me live it up at T.G.I. Fridays. Better luck next time, counsel.

Best part? One less piece of trash in the world today.

In your hypothetical scenario, we only get rid of the 'trash' if the hypothetical you gets killed drunk driving home from T.G.I. Fridays.

By the way, lying to police with an Oscar Winning Performance... that would make you more guilty than the thief.
 
that's why I have several "unregistered" handguns with the serial numbers filed off. you just never know when you might need a drop weapon. "see officer, there is a gun in his dead hand. he was going to shoot me, I had no choice but to shoot him first"

So planting a weapon on an unarmed man is good... in your moral view.

Get your compass checked.
 
You know, I almost mentioned something about that, but I figured if they were ever to search your home, you might have some explaining. However, I guess if you don't go out robbing and holding people up, you're safe. Fourth Amendment rights and all. But damn, that can get expensive, especially if you get robbed semi-often.

Personally I think you can just get away with a sob story in front of a felonious corpse. Then again, I'm cheap. Guns aren't.

nah, you can get a pos handgun dirt cheap. or even better, you can get realistic looking toy guns for a coulple of bucks at wally world. put one of those in the dead POS's hand and not only can you claim you thought he was going to shoot you...you can make him look like a dumbass for trying to rob you with a toy gun. it's a win-win :lamo
 
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Actually it is thou shalt not murder. Thou shalt not kill is a mistranslation. Because if you bothered to read other parts of the bible you would know that they had the death penalty for various offenses, killing is permitted in certain situations and occasionally they engaged in warfare. In the King James version of the bible in the new Testament Jesus uses the word murder not killing.Both of these things indicates that the King James translation messed up on Exodus 20:13.

Matthew 19:18 KJV - He saith unto him Which Jesus said Thou - Bible Gateway
8He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

shhhhhh...don't confuse him with facts. his opinion is all that matters. :lamo
 
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In your hypothetical scenario, we only get rid of the 'trash' if the hypothetical you gets killed drunk driving home from T.G.I. Fridays.

By the way, lying to police with an Oscar Winning Performance... that would make you more guilty than the thief.

Fair enough. I would hope you see your days hanging out with thieves and violent criminals and not waste time with entrepreneurial people minding their own.

Sure do like to defend the underbelly of society. Are you having a little bit too much in common with them? Your defense aligns you with simple gutter trash.

To each his own.
 
So planting a weapon on an unarmed man is good... in your moral view.

Get your compass checked.

carrying 3 knives is hardly "unarmed" get your reading comprehension checked.
 
how is it an aggressive move to be on your own property?


Don't play the dumb card. They were considered " vigilantes" - it is unlawful to take the law into your own hands.

a two-week-long civil trial in which business owner Jovan Milanovic and two relatives were painted as vigilantes who plotted a deadly ambush rather than let authorities deal with a string of recent burglaries.
Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit (CO)
 
Don't play the dumb card. They were considered " vigilantes" - it is unlawful to take the law into your own hands.

a two-week-long civil trial in which business owner Jovan Milanovic and two relatives were painted as vigilantes who plotted a deadly ambush rather than let authorities deal with a string of recent burglaries.
Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit (CO)

were painted as =/= are, go figure
 
Fair enough. I would hope you see your days hanging out with thieves and violent criminals and not waste time with entrepreneurial people minding their own.

Sure do like to defend the underbelly of society. Are you having a little bit too much in common with them? Your defense aligns you with simple gutter trash.

To each his own.

What is it with most of these Constitution-loving people? They love the Constitution but defend the right to take the law into their own hands? Isn't that sort of hypocritical?


Spewing insults at those who are not condoning the thief, just agreeing that the "vigilantes" had not business taking the law into their own hands, shows that most of those thinking it was okay to be a vigilante don't have much use for the "law" - so quit the BS about loving the Constitution.
 
were painted as =/= are, go figure

Well, as most trials go, those that are not there do not know what is presented and what isn't. You weren't there, neither was I. I respect the jury's decision, I'm sure they don't coddle theifs, just following the law, and it is unlawful to take the law into your own hands.
 
Well, as most trials go, those that are not there do not know what is presented and what isn't. You weren't there, neither was I. I respect the jury's decision, I'm sure they don't coddle theifs, just following the law, and it is unlawful to take the law into your own hands.

if these guys were the murderous vigilantes you want them to be, the criminal court would've put them in jail.

or do you only respect the the decisions of juries that agree with you? ;)
 
Spewing insults? Try reading a few posts up...or is this selective amnesia where all double-digit IQ liberals identify faults in enemies and perfection in friends?
 
Jesus does not equivocate with his bullwhip!
 
Which completely undermines the concept of property rights. If you can't use lethal force, then all attempts to detain, stop, or run off would be burglars are empty bluffs.

Let me give you a hypothetical (And admittedly unlikely) scenario. I wake up in the middle of the night and hear strange sounds coming from my living room. I grab my gun and go to investigate. I see a man in my living room grabbing my TV. I pull me gun out and order him to stop. He looks at me, smirks and says, "You can't shoot me. That's murder," and then turns his back to me, picks up my TV and walks out the door.

What am I supposed to do? Just watch the guy go and then call the police so they can document the theft after the fact and I can hope they stumble onto the thief at some later date. (Because let's be honest a stolen TV isn't going to be a top priority case for many departments). Can I shoot him after he ignores my order to stop? Even though his back is to me? Can I tackle him and risk initiating a physical confrontation with a man who's physical abilities are unknown to me and who may or may not be armed himself?

Sadly, in many states, you would technically have to "let the police handle it." My dad recently had his workshop broken into and thousands of dollars worth of equipment stolen. Equipment, btw, that he had save for months in order to afford to buy. He did not have insurance on it, either. He called the police. They came by, wrote up a report, and left. I'm sorry but that's not handling a god damn thing. My dad could have wrote a report himself. **** that. The next time, you can bet he will be ready to shoot those ****ers instead.

Actually you do not have the right to defend your property with lethal force.

That depends on what state one is in.
 
Which completely undermines the concept of property rights. If you can't use lethal force, then all attempts to detain, stop, or run off would be burglars are empty bluffs.

Let me give you a hypothetical (And admittedly unlikely) scenario. I wake up in the middle of the night and hear strange sounds coming from my living room. I grab my gun and go to investigate. I see a man in my living room grabbing my TV. I pull me gun out and order him to stop. He looks at me, smirks and says, "You can't shoot me. That's murder," and then turns his back to me, picks up my TV and walks out the door.

What am I supposed to do? Just watch the guy go and then call the police so they can document the theft after the fact and I can hope they stumble onto the thief at some later date. (Because let's be honest a stolen TV isn't going to be a top priority case for many departments). Can I shoot him after he ignores my order to stop? Even though his back is to me? Can I tackle him and risk initiating a physical confrontation with a man who's physical abilities are unknown to me and who may or may not be armed himself?

Kill him--if they break into a home at night the presumption is they know the home is occupied. That gives you the right to use deadly force.
 
I know. It's not for you to judge whether a man is worthy of death.

In my mind it is the victim who has judged themselves worthy of death by choosing to break into my home or attempt to mug me.
 
So you're walking down the street one day. You notice a dollar bill in my yard just off the parking strip. You step into my yard and pick it up to take it. It's right then and there that I'll blow your ass to kingdom come. And in your compassionate conservative way you think you had it coming?

You can't make this **** up.

In my mind the dollar bill is unnecessary to your analogy. The moment you step onto my property I should be able to blow you away.
 
if these guys were the murderous vigilantes you want them to be, the criminal court would've put them in jail.

or do you only respect the the decisions of juries that agree with you? ;)

The point...the one you keep missing... it's unlawful to play policeman.
 
In my mind it is the victim who has judged themselves worthy of death by choosing to break into my home or attempt to mug me.

You might be happier in a less civilized country. The U.S., we're too modern for you.
 
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