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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So I must take a vantage point of the door were I can get a clear shot because I can't shoot through anything; thus putting me in his line of fire as well. I should pray that he doesn't have a weapon he's willing to use and will at least have the common courtesy of opening the door first before he chooses to open fire upon me. That's your definition of reasonable. Here's mine. If you don't want me to shoot you, do not commit crimes against me. How's that for reasonable? I'm not the one in the wrong, I'm not the one who made the choice to act against the rights of others. But I sure as hell DO have the right to defend my own rights and liberties against outside force.

    If we exclude your obvious hyperbole, yes mine is more rational for mine puts power in the hands of the law abiding citizen protecting their own rights and liberties. If I have the right to violently overthrow the government should it become too large a threat against my rights and liberties (and I do), I have the right to use force against others equally trying to infringe upon my rights and liberties.
    No, in most states, and in the state in question in particurlar, you would be breaking the law. You would be committing a more serious crime than burglarly.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, in most states, and in the state in question in particurlar, you would be breaking the law. You would be committing a more serious crime than burglarly.
    That doesn't seem to be what the Grand Jury decided.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    what if you run into my garage and hide?
    Then you would call the cops.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That doesn't seem to be what the Grand Jury decided.
    And around and around we go....

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Adam T assumes that since the guy ran into the shed that he was fleeing and afraid
    the rest of us reasonable people don't make the assupmtion that an armed criminal has good or peaceful intentions
    That wasn't the issue though. Reasonable people don't camp out at a place of business with the intent to kill fleeing petty theives who didn't brandish guns. At least that's what the jury concluded. Did you disagree with the law itself, or their verdict?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Then you would call the cops.
    And if he ends up dead because he had to wait, you'd say what? "Well at least he acted reasonably and died."?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And around and around we go....
    it's because you're continually trying to sidestep fact and reality. While the civil court found them liable for the deaths, the criminal court system did not find sufficient evidence to prosecute.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
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    So you want homeowners and proper owners to wait until they are stabbed or shot before using lethal force? You do not know for sure what threat a burglar poses.



    It doesn't matter if it is a business or a residence. A man(or woman) has the right to defend themselves and their property against others and use lethal force to do so. This is how you keep burglaries down.



    It looks to me like a couple of business owners trying to defend their livelihood against a bunch of scumbags and a dumbass judge and a retarded jury sided with a piece of ****'s family. I hope these property owners take their case to a competent court and win.
    Except James....the law disagrees with you. One of the basic tenements of Criminal law is that you cannot use lethal force to protect property. If there was a legitimate self-defense claim, then that would be a different story. Also, you downplay the fact that the law treats residences and businesses differently. "A man's home is his castle", is an old fashioned saying but one that still has some relevance in the courts today. Judges and prosecutors often give people more of the benefit of the doubt when the issue involves a residence over a business.

    This case is a good example of people who take things to far...and these guys are lucky that they weren't prosecuted for murder because they very easily could have been.

    Just because your business has been robbed in the past doesn't give you license to kill the next burglar. You might wish that it were the case, but that is not the way that American law operates. Its really just that simple.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    How is that? If you steal my hubcaps you aren't threatening my life.

    I will grant you that my opinion differs from the strict letter of the law in many states... though as exhibited by the grand jury's refusal to indict, I think many of the citizenry are closer to my own opinion:

    More dead thieves killed by outraged homeowners and business owners would be a good thing for society, and I'd have no problem with it. Especially if they are found to have been armed at the time.

    There's a reason why, in most jurisdictions, being found with a weapon while in commission of a theft typically makes it a more serious crime with more prison time attached... when you set out armed to commit theft, you are deliberately putting yourself in a position to kill innocent persons whose only crime is not wanting you to take what they've worked hard to obtain. Such persons are, IMO, a waste of breath and skin.

    No, I'm not speaking theoretically, I've known such people personally. I have a relative who is a meth-head knife-toting thief... if you catch him in the act, by all means shoot him dead; his wife and children and everyone else that puts up with him will be SO much better off, not to mention society.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yep, and I'm sure that VM and Oscar would agree that OJ wasn't guilty of murder.

    Bottom line is that these guys killed someone when they didn't have to and they are paying the price. They got off easy. Meanwhile there's a three-year-old girl who's going to grow up without a father.
    You being 'sure' doesnt count for much. World of difference between hunting down a woman and slicing her up and protecting your business from an armed meth addict. Well...maybe not in your world...

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