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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    When you set out armed, to steal another person's property, you are exhibiting a criminal lack of regard for the lives of innocent persons who might object to your theft of their property... and likely deserve whatever you get.
    How is that? If you steal my hubcaps you aren't threatening my life.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    How is that? If you steal my hubcaps you aren't threatening my life.
    you are big on "what ifs"..

    what if I catch you stealing my hubcaps and your drug addled brain tells you "kill him so you won't go to jail for stealing" are you threatening my life then?
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Mmm, no, reasonableness ... reasonableness. If the guy runs into the closet you cover it with your gun and tell him you'll blow him up if he moves the door. Meanwhile you tell your wife to get the kids in the car and head over to [wherever] until the cops arrive and haul the f***er away.
    So I must take a vantage point of the door were I can get a clear shot because I can't shoot through anything; thus putting me in his line of fire as well. I should pray that he doesn't have a weapon he's willing to use and will at least have the common courtesy of opening the door first before he chooses to open fire upon me. That's your definition of reasonable. Here's mine. If you don't want me to shoot you, do not commit crimes against me. How's that for reasonable? I'm not the one in the wrong, I'm not the one who made the choice to act against the rights of others. But I sure as hell DO have the right to defend my own rights and liberties against outside force.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Does your version sound more reasonable? The guy doesn't appear to be going anywhere but you unload your gun into the closet, with the bullets going god-knows-where, and where are the kids anyway? Geez, hope I don't find one of them with a bullet hold in her forhead! Hey, maybe we should call the cops? Hey daddy, what's that red stuff coming out of the closet? Shut up, junior! Grab the guy's other wrist and help me drag him into the dining room!!
    If we exclude your obvious hyperbole, yes mine is more rational for mine puts power in the hands of the law abiding citizen protecting their own rights and liberties. If I have the right to violently overthrow the government should it become too large a threat against my rights and liberties (and I do), I have the right to use force against others equally trying to infringe upon my rights and liberties.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    How is that? If you steal my hubcaps you aren't threatening my life.
    He is if he flashes a knife.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you are big on "what ifs"..

    what if I catch you stealing my hubcaps and your drug addled brain tells you "kill him so you won't go to jail for stealing" are you threatening my life then?
    Umm, if it's just a thought running through my head, no. If I run across the street and hide behind a car, no. OTOH, if I run towards you aggressively then it would be reasonable for you to defend yourself.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you are big on "what ifs"..
    what if I catch you stealing my hubcaps and your drug addled brain tells you "kill him so you won't go to jail for stealing" are you threatening my life then?
    Actually, you're the one introducing what-ifs. The facts in this case, and the jury, resulted in them being found liable for wrongful death.

    If your defense is that the guy stealing your hubcaps was in your opinon, a threat to your life, I also doubt that would hold up in court. That's a hypothetical though.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Umm, if it's just a thought running through my head, no. If I run across the street and hide behind a car, no. OTOH, if I run towards you aggressively then it would be reasonable for you to defend yourself.
    If you say that to a cop, you'll be arrested for making threats against the police. Or shot. Or beaten to death. Which ever one they feel is best at the time. If you make what I interpret as a credible threat against my life, including saying you're going to kill me during the commission of a crime, I have every reason to believe that you will carry out that threat and thus defend myself.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Umm, if it's just a thought running through my head, no. If I run across the street and hide behind a car, no. OTOH, if I run towards you aggressively then it would be reasonable for you to defend yourself.
    what if you run into my garage and hide?
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Adam T assumes that since the guy ran into the shed that he was fleeing and afraid

    the rest of us reasonable people don't make the assupmtion that an armed criminal has good or peaceful intentions


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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    what if you run into my garage and hide?
    Stand in front of the garage and clearly shout "Well my good sir, the chase has come to an end, as it be. I shall now inform the cops and they will be here in about 5-10 minutes if they feel like it. In the meantime, my good man, I would find it quite sporting of you if you would not attempt any further attempt on my life or property. We are both reasonable men, yes? Well then it's safe to assume that you are not arming yourself further with intent to escape and/or harm myself or my family. In that case, would you be so kind as to hold up there while the police arrive. Thank you very much my good sir, tea will be served shortly".
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