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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and what happens if he loads his gun and then starts firing at you through the door?
    Well then you're just ****ed. But the death of you and your family is offset by the criminal's daughter still having a father around.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You want me to stand in front of the door and see if he comes out shooting? Maybe he fires through the walls or doors, possibly hitting myself and my family. According to you, I had no reasonable access to action to stop that. He's already demonstrated the willingness to commit crimes, so I should just wait to get shot at to see if I should respond? I should take that risk to myself and my family? No. Don't ****ing break into my place and we aren't going to have a problem. But don't ask me to play the victim when I've done nothing wrong other than secure my home. It's a nice "ideal" you have. Shut up and die, you have no right to secure yourself, your property, or the welfare of your family till you're dead. At which point you can respond.
    Hopefully you're smart enough not to stand directly in front of the door. Hopefully you're smart enough to have already packed the wife and kids into the car. Hopefully you're not going to fire wildly through the hollow core door and shoot your own wife and kids, or your neighors or their kids. Hopefully it IS a burlglar and not a college friend who's playing a prank and ends up getting shot in the face. Again, it's a reasonableness standard.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and what happens if he loads his gun and then starts firing at you through the door?
    Then you shoot him. Or if you're smart, you're long gone by then.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hopefully you're smart enough not to stand directly in front of the door. Hopefully you're smart enough to have already packed the wife and kids into the car. Hopefully you're not going to fire wildly through the hollow core door and shoot your own wife and kids, or your neighors or their kids. Hopefully it IS a burlglar and not a college friend who's playing a prank and ends up getting shot in the face. Again, it's a reasonableness standard.
    So guy breaks into my house, I find him, he runs into the closet by which point I should have already packed my family "away" and should run away from my own property leaving him to steal everything he wants wherein I'll have to fight insurance to try to recover any of the lost valuables (if replaceable) and hope that the cops will eventually track the guy down and pray that he doesn't actually have a weapon and isn't going to try to escalate the attack.

    In short, your answer is to play the victim and pray to a god. Well ****...I don't believe in gods, so I guess I have to rely on myself to defend myself, my property and my family.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The point is that there's no risk from not shooting the guy through the closet. You call the cops and they'll be there in five minutes. In the meantime you say, "if I see that door move your dead", or whatever.
    unless of course he shoots you through the door or manages to charge you before you get a shot off and then murders your family?

    You have no clue whether theres a risk or not thats why you dont live in reality
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So guy breaks into my house, I find him, he runs into the closet by which point I should have already packed my family "away" and should run away from my own property leaving him to steal everything he wants wherein I'll have to fight insurance to try to recover any of the lost valuables (if replaceable) and hope that the cops will eventually track the guy down and pray that he doesn't actually have a weapon and isn't going to try to escalate the attack.

    In short, your answer is to play the victim and pray to a god. Well ****...I don't believe in gods, so I guess I have to rely on myself to defend myself, my property and my family.
    Mmm, no, reasonableness ... reasonableness. If the guy runs into the closet you cover it with your gun and tell him you'll blow him up if he moves the door. Meanwhile you tell your wife to get the kids in the car and head over to [wherever] until the cops arrive and haul the f***er away.

    Does your version sound more reasonable? The guy doesn't appear to be going anywhere but you unload your gun into the closet, with the bullets going god-knows-where, and where are the kids anyway? Geez, hope I don't find one of them with a bullet hold in her forhead! Hey, maybe we should call the cops? Hey daddy, what's that red stuff coming out of the closet? Shut up, junior! Grab the guy's other wrist and help me drag him into the dining room!!
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Then you shoot him. Or if you're smart, you're long gone by then.
    jeez, i guess it is people like you who write the rules of engagement for our military.


    "hey sarge, they're shooting at us. when can we shoot back?"

    "according to the ROE, we have to have taken at least 3 casualties before we can return fire"


    stupid, just plain stupid.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The fact that the guy was a drug addict and burglar was not why he was shot. This is like saying that, if you're going down the highway and exceeding the speed limit by 10mph, and you get T-boned by a drunk driver, it's not the drunk driver's fault. It's yours for exceeding the speed limit.
    actually it IS you have to start with domino ONE like I said normal people that live in reality and use logic understand this.

    and your example above is NOTHING like what happen they arent even the same ball park.
    Not to mention that without more info it very well could be the speeders fault LOL
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    When you set out armed, to steal another person's property, you are exhibiting a criminal lack of regard for the lives of innocent persons who might object to your theft of their property... and likely deserve whatever you get.


    Meth-heads packing multiple concealed knives are a real danger. A knife is every bit as deadly as a gun, within arm's reach perhaps deadlier. If they'd tried to apprehend him, he may well have killed one or more innocent persons. The fact that he went to commit theft armed indicates he valued his "right" to steal from another person's livlihood more than he valued the innocent lives that might get in the way of his criminal intention.

    Make no mistake about it, this was a bad person and the world is better off without him. I'm sorry his parents lost a son, and his daughter lost a father.... no, wait, screw that crap I'm not going to lie. They are probably better off without him. Maybe the little daughter will have a chance to grow up to be something worthwhile, without a meth-head thief of a father around. His parents... well I know they hurt, you love your kids even if they're scum... but maybe they should have raised him better or intervened when he started stealing for drug money.

    No. I have no sympathy for the deceased. I'll grant you that the business owners might have handled this better, but I understand the frustration that can come when you've tried to get the police and the courts to deal with something 5, 10, 20, 50 times and nothing changes... and 1 less scumbag meth-addict thief is not a bad thing IMHO.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    actually it IS you have to start with domino ONE like I said normal people that live in reality and use logic understand this.

    and your example above is NOTHING like what happen they arent even the same ball park.
    Not to mention that without more info it very well could be the speeders fault LOL
    exactamundo.

    if this guy wasn't a drug addict and a burglar he never would've been on the property, hence he never would've been shot. therefore, one of the main reasons he was shot is because he was a drug addict burglar.

    sometimes it really is that simple.
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