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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The standard for a criminal TRIAL is beyond a reasonable doubt. The standard for a criminal INDICTMENT is preponderance of the evidence.
    then apparently, contrary to your OPINION, there wasn't a preponderance of evidence, since these guys weren't indicted.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So, out of curiousity, if there was a burglar in your house and you chased him into a closet. What would you do? Call the cops and hold him there, or shoot him through the door?

    drag him out and shoot him in the hallway.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This is ridiculous. The burglar didn't break into someone's home. He was on a used car lot, for crying out loud. He was trapped inside a shed. All these "what if he shot through the door, what if he came out with an axe" speculations don't mean ****. He didn't shoot through the door, he didn't run out with a weapon. He was trying to hide. The cops could have been called and the guy hauled off to prison. Instead he was executed, on a used car lot, for trying to break into one of the cars. Last I heard, that is not a capital crime.

    I think a lot of folks here are just trolling for lulz. There is no way executing the guy in cold blood was warranted, and some of these posts would be chilling if they weren't just contrived bullcrap designed for ****s and giggles.

    WOW thats a lot of fantasy and play on words lets count all the dishonesty and spin.

    just a "car lot?" still personal property
    "trapped inside a shed? trapped? hiding? planing? waiting to attack? etc etc how do you know?
    "Trying to hide" how do you know?
    "The cops could have been called and the guy hauled off to prison." or by time they got there he could have escaped who the cops could of discovered the owner dead with a knife sticking in him, isnt the what if game fun?
    "exacted" again how do you know? maybe he was shot just before making his move?

    assumption is fun but its dangerous when you presume you know everything but I guess its easy to do when its OTHERS lives who could be at risk.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That, or that the prosecution had a well constructed jury which would have been more sympathetic to the deceased than the grand jury hearing the facts of the trial would have been. I think lawyers have gone a long way in destroying the purpose of a jury trial.
    That, and it is relatively easy to introduce reasonable doubt.
    The fact that a certain jury found it 51% likely that the people here did not act in self-defense is piss-poor foundation for an argument that they are guilty of a criminal act.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    AdamT I will still also LOVE to hear you explain how the man that shot the guy is more at fault than the guy who got shot for there being a fatherless little girl now.

    This is just one of the things you seemed to ignore, dodge or talk around buy im VERY curious on your answer I think its going to be very entertaining.

    To flashback it was brought up that there is no a fatherless girl because this guy (the father who was a burglar, drug addict and intruder) got shot while trespassing but a property owner and you said the property owner is more to blame than the father.
    nothing?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    The law in Colorado is clear:

    Under Colorado’s self-defense laws, the use of deadly force is justified only under the “reasonable belief” that it’s necessary to prevent serious bodily injury or death. The jury found that none of the men had a legitimate claim of self-defense.

    Property rights are not a lawful defense for using deadly force in Colorado, and the state’s so-called Make My Day law, which sets lower standard for using force, applies to households, not businesses.

    Read more: Jury sides with burglar's family in 2009 shooting death at auto lot | jury, burglar, lot - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So, out of curiousity, if there was a burglar in your house and you chased him into a closet. What would you do? Call the cops and hold him there, or shoot him through the door?
    Hopefully he'd have been shot before he got to the closet. If he did make it there he'd get shot through the door then dragged out to make sure the job was finished.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    then apparently, contrary to your OPINION, there wasn't a preponderance of evidence, since these guys weren't indicted.
    As a matter of FACT, one jury found a preponderance of the evidence and another did not. We can opine about which jury was correct, but I would side with the one that listened to a full trial with motivated attorneys on both sides.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Hopefully he'd have been shot before he got to the closet. If he did make it there he'd get shot through the door then dragged out to make sure the job was finished.
    And you would go to jail.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Hopefully he'd have been shot before he got to the closet. If he did make it there he'd get shot through the door then dragged out to make sure the job was finished.
    In MY HOUSE?
    Family there?

    I shoot the closet till there was nothing left of it. Wouldnt be able to tell where the wood ends and his insides begins.
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