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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Civil court is reasonable doubt, criminal is beyond a reasonable doubt.

    As for the difference, are you telling me Mr. Lawyer that in a grand jury the State is not allowed to bring forth evidence to prove the necessity for a trial?
    The standard for a criminal TRIAL is beyond a reasonable doubt. The standard for a criminal INDICTMENT is preponderance of the evidence.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Civil court is reasonable doubt, criminal is beyond a reasonable doubt.
    Perponderance of evidence (that is, 51% likely) vs beyond reasonable doubt.
    We saw this in the OJ case.

    The question, of course, is how one defines 'wrongful'. The killing was -legal- and so was within the rights of the people in question.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Let me type this slowly so you can hopefully understand: the standard of evidence for both a criminal grand jury and a civil trial is proof by a preponderance of the evidence. So what we have here is one grand jury, where a preliminary case was made, and a full trial, where the case was fully tried. The fact that the full trial found them at fault by a preponderance of the evidence suggests that a criminal indictment should have gone down.

    whatever Matlock. the fact that a bleeding heart jury decided to give his family $$$ doesn't prove anything.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually a defendant's statement about his subjective belief is NOT relevant, as it's an objective reasonable person standard.

    If a paranoid schizophrenic believes that you are a CIA assassin who is about to garrot him on the street, his subjective belief does not give him the legal right to stick a knife in your heart.
    No, but if a paranoid schizophrenic broke into my property, I have reason to believe that he is dangerous and can pose a threat to my life and wellbeing.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The standard for a criminal TRIAL is beyond a reasonable doubt. The standard for a criminal INDICTMENT is preponderance of the evidence.
    Apparently the State did not have enough.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Ive seen this kind of garbage so many times....Ive numbed myself to it

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I think a lot of folks here are just trolling for lulz. There is no way executing the guy in cold blood was warranted, and some of these posts would be chilling if they weren't just contrived bullcrap designed for ****s and giggles.
    I have no sense of humor. Especially when it comes to firearms related issues and self-defense. As a gun owner and someone who does own firearms for self-defense and personal protection I have thought long and hard about whether or not I could use one on another person and under what circumstances. I've cone to the conclusion that I both could and would do so.

    My property is worth more than the life of anyone stupid enough to try and take it from me. It's that simple.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    whatever Matlock. the fact that a bleeding heart jury decided to give his family $$$ doesn't prove anything.
    Sure it proves something. It proves that after a full trial a jury decided that it was more likely than not that the defendants were not acting in self defense. It suggests that plaintiffs' attorney did a better job of presenting the case than the ADA did in the grand jury hearing.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I have no sense of humor. Especially when it comes to firearms related issues and self-defense. As a gun owner and someone who does own firearms for self-defense and personal protection I have thought long and hard about whether or not I could use one on another person and under what circumstances. I've cone to the conclusion that I both could and would do so.

    My property is worth more than the life of anyone stupid enough to try and take it from me. It's that simple.
    So, out of curiousity, if there was a burglar in your house and you chased him into a closet. What would you do? Call the cops and hold him there, or shoot him through the door?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sure it proves something. It proves that after a full trial a jury decided that it was more likely than not that the defendants were not acting in self defense. It suggests that plaintiffs' attorney did a better job of presenting the case than the ADA did in the grand jury hearing.
    That, or that the prosecution had a well constructed jury which would have been more sympathetic to the deceased than the grand jury hearing the facts of the trial would have been. I think lawyers have gone a long way in destroying the purpose of a jury trial.
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