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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And that is YOUR assumption. I'm guessing that you've never served on a jury, let alone tried a case to one?
    No, lawyers are notorious for kicking scientists off of juries.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    One way we know is from the police report:

    Police said in a 145-page investigative report that the intruder had knives in his pockets and one strapped to his ankle, but never posed a threat to Milanovic or the other men

    Read more: Jury sides with burglar's family in 2009 shooting death at auto lot | jury, burglar, lot - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO

    Obviously the defendants in this case could have held their fire unless or until the person inside tried to exit -- at minimum. It simply was not reasonable to shoot him through the closed door. If you don't get that then you just don't understand the legal standard.
    you do realize thats because he was shot FIRST LMAO

    it was discovered he didnt have a gun AFTER he was shot but what if he did? what if he shot through the door first?

    again you simply just dont understand reality, sorry you have so much trouble with this.

    You are judging things AFTER everything happened, my question is how do they know BEFORE????

    thats what matters and thats why the FACT remains they are not murders and were not taking to criminal trail
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so you, sitting in your mother's basement, know more about it than the jury members who were actually there and actually saw the evidence? that's just great!!!! can you also tell me who really killed JFK? what a freakin joke
    Well, apparently you, sitting on your boyfriend's sticky water bed, know more about it than the civil jury who found that violated the law. Apparently with your vast legal knowledge you've missed the FACT that the standard of proof for a grand jury indictment is EXACTLY THE SAME as the standard for a civil verdict -- a preponderance of the evidence.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hindsight is wonderful. But try being in the situation. AFTER THE FACT, they were able to determine that he was no threat since he was ARMED with only knives. However, if you're the owners of the property, how do you know? When he took cover in the shed, it was just as probable that he had more than just knives on him, that he was preparing to retaliate. YOU obviously do not understand the legal standard since the standard was used and the State was unable to provide sufficient evidence to go ahead with a prosecution.
    and thats all the needs mentioned

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, lawyers are notorious for kicking scientists off of juries.
    They're also notorious for kicking lawyers off juries, but quite often they don't. That's how my wife got on the jury of a murder trial. Lifetime made a movie about her experience called "One Angry Juror."

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, apparently you, sitting on your boyfriend's sticky water bed, no more about it than the civil jury who found that violated the law. Apparently with your vast legal knowledge you've missed the FACT that the standard of proof for a grand jury indictment is EXACTLY THE SAME as the standard for a civil verdict -- a preponderance of the evidence.

    and again you show your ignorance. a judgement against you by a civil court does not a murderer make. please...for the love of God, look up the definition of fact.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hindsight is wonderful. But try being in the situation. AFTER THE FACT, they were able to determine that he was no threat since he was ARMED with only knives. However, if you're the owners of the property, how do you know? When he took cover in the shed, it was just as probable that he had more than just knives on him, that he was preparing to retaliate. YOU obviously do not understand the legal standard since the standard was used and the State was unable to provide sufficient evidence to go ahead with a prosecution.
    Well, I am a lawyer, and I have both tried cases to juries and sat on juries, so I think I'm pretty familiar with the standard. As I mentioned above, FYI, the standard for the grand jury is the same standard that the civil court applied when the civil jury returned a verdict against the defendants. Two juries -- two different outcomes. One difference is that there was a full trial in the civil court, where both sides could present evidence.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They're also notorious for kicking lawyers off juries, but quite often they don't. That's how my wife got on the jury of a murder trial. Lifetime made a movie about her experience called "One Angry Juror."
    so, since your wife sat on the jury of a murder trial once....you are an expert. thanks for making that appeal to authority (look up locial fallacies if it escapes you). now we all "get it"
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    AdamT I will still also LOVE to hear you explain how the man that shot the guy is more at fault than the guy who got shot for there being a fatherless little girl now.

    This is just one of the things you seemed to ignore, dodge or talk around buy im VERY curious on your answer I think its going to be very entertaining.

    To flashback it was brought up that there is no a fatherless girl because this guy (the father who was a burglar, drug addict and intruder) got shot while trespassing but a property owner and you said the property owner is more to blame than the father.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    This is ridiculous. The burglar didn't break into someone's home. He was on a used car lot, for crying out loud. He was trapped inside a shed. All these "what if he shot through the door, what if he came out with an axe" speculations don't mean ****. He didn't shoot through the door, he didn't run out with a weapon. He was trying to hide. The cops could have been called and the guy hauled off to prison. Instead he was executed, on a used car lot, for trying to break into one of the cars. Last I heard, that is not a capital crime.

    I think a lot of folks here are just trolling for lulz. There is no way executing the guy in cold blood was warranted, and some of these posts would be chilling if they weren't just contrived bullcrap designed for ****s and giggles.

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