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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The law is based upon a reasonable person standard. In other words, would a reasonable person who chased someone who was not wielding a weapon into a shed, and was standing outside the closed shed covering the door with a rifle, feel that he was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm? Would a reasonable person, covering the door of the shed with a .45 caliber rifle, not feel that he could withdraw from the situation? The answer in both cases is clearly no.
    apparently the grand jury thought otherwise. once again, see the difference between fact and opinion
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    apparently the grand jury thought otherwise. once again, see the difference between fact and opinion
    Yes, I know what the grand jury's opinion was. It's not unusual for a grand jury to ignore the facts and law in cases like this.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    If someone breaks into my house, they are very likely to get shot. I wont bother to check and see if they are armed, either. The outrage over this dead meth addict is amusing to me. A loss of companionship? Now that is ridiculous. What type of father was he to his daughter when he was committing armed burglary to support his drug habit? We're not talking about the father of the year. We're talking about a low life drug addict who steals from hard working people to support his drug habit. His daughter is very likely better off without him. As she grows up, he would have likely stolen from her, as well. Drug addicts steal from everyone: businesses, homeowners, their families, even their own children.

    As for me, I will defend my family, myself, and my property with deadly force if need be. And I'll put any remains in the hog pin after I am done. Better to turn them into bacon than to pay an outrageous law suit or face prison time. The bleeding hearts in this country are what keeps the rate of criminal activity as high as it is. I feel no sympathy for people who get shot while being low life thieves.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, I know what the grand jury's opinion was. It's not unusual for a grand jury to ignore the facts and law in cases like this.

    Wow, simply wow
    Id like to log post 142 as more proof of living in fantasy.

    So all the people in this thread and the grand jury are all wrong because you simply just KNOW the facts and all QUESTIONS and CONCERNS should be answered by YOU ans only YOU?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, I know what the grand jury's opinion was. It's not unusual for a grand jury to ignore the facts and law in cases like this.
    You're ASSUMING they ignored facts and law. The FACT of the matter is that the State must PROVE that there is enough evidence to go forward with a case, and in this instance apparently were unable to bring about a satisfactory amount of evidence for it.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    no that is YOUR answer and YOUR opinion! LMAO why cant you understand that fact?
    Without being those guys and being in the situation I cant answer for THEM and neither can you LMAO

    how do they know he wasnt armed? should they wait until bullets hit them of fly by them?

    Maybe as soon as I withdraw I get shot in the back or maybe Its me that gets shot through the door if I dont shoot first???

    The answers to both cases is clearly who knows? YOU dont get to make those decisions LMAO

    Like I said, reality vs fantasy and you are living in the later.
    One way we know is from the police report:

    Police said in a 145-page investigative report that the intruder had knives in his pockets and one strapped to his ankle, but never posed a threat to Milanovic or the other men

    Read more: Jury sides with burglar's family in 2009 shooting death at auto lot | jury, burglar, lot - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO

    Obviously the defendants in this case could have held their fire unless or until the person inside tried to exit -- at minimum. It simply was not reasonable to shoot him through the closed door. If you don't get that then you just don't understand the legal standard.

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, I know what the grand jury's opinion was. It's not unusual for a grand jury to ignore the facts and law in cases like this.
    so you, sitting in your mother's basement, know more about it than the jury members who were actually there and actually saw the evidence? that's just great!!!! can you also tell me who really killed JFK? what a freakin joke
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You're ASSUMING they ignored facts and law. The FACT of the matter is that the State must PROVE that there is enough evidence to go forward with a case, and in this instance apparently were unable to bring about a satisfactory amount of evidence for it.
    And that is YOUR assumption. I'm guessing that you've never served on a jury, let alone tried a case to one?

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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    One way we know is from the police report:

    Police said in a 145-page investigative report that the intruder had knives in his pockets and one strapped to his ankle, but never posed a threat to Milanovic or the other men

    Read more: Jury sides with burglar's family in 2009 shooting death at auto lot | jury, burglar, lot - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO

    Obviously the defendants in this case could have held their fire unless or until the person inside tried to exit -- at minimum. It simply was not reasonable to shoot him through the closed door. If you don't get that then you just don't understand the legal standard.
    Hindsight is wonderful. But try being in the situation. AFTER THE FACT, they were able to determine that he was no threat since he was ARMED with only knives. However, if you're the owners of the property, how do you know? When he took cover in the shed, it was just as probable that he had more than just knives on him, that he was preparing to retaliate. YOU obviously do not understand the legal standard since the standard was used and the State was unable to provide sufficient evidence to go ahead with a prosecution.
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    Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    One way we know is from the police report:

    Police said in a 145-page investigative report that the intruder had knives in his pockets and one strapped to his ankle, but never posed a threat to Milanovic or the other men

    Read more: Jury sides with burglar's family in 2009 shooting death at auto lot | jury, burglar, lot - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO

    Obviously the defendants in this case could have held their fire unless or until the person inside tried to exit -- at minimum. It simply was not reasonable to shoot him through the closed door. If you don't get that then you just don't understand the legal standard.
    again, the only thing that is obvious is that you don't know the difference between fact and opinion.
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