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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    He's losing support among these key groups because he has caved to too many Republican demands. These people are not going to repsond by voting Republican.
    Many of them may not. Many of them may not bother to vote at all though.

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    In a normal cycle yes. But if the economy remains stagnant or worsens, I think Americans will vote for a change regardless.
    The person who's going to win 2012 is going to be the person who presents a better "jobs agenda."

    My prediction is, if things continue the way they are, many libs/Dems may not vote for the Republican candidate, but they problem won't be enthusiastic enough to vote again for Obama either. They may simply stay at home.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Exactly. We were disappointed in Dec/Jan with the extending tax cuts for the wealthy and now this debt caving in simply is heart breaking. Obama reminds me of somebody who wants to fight with regulation boxing gloves under the Marquis of Queensbury rules with a referee in the middle of a bar fight with a bunch of outlaw motorcyclists. He badly needs to grab the baseball bat, drive a nine inch nail through it and aim for the GOP forehead.

    But its just not in him and that is heartbreaking.






    We should have seen this coming with Rahm Emanuel. I thought it was super great when he hired Rahm to be chief of staff but then will not let him do his thing and Rahm splits at the first opportunity. That was the warning omen.



    This time we have to disagree haymarket, its not about the partisans left or right, we know how they will vote....obama has lost the moderates that won the election for him last time...thats my opinion anyway.

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Source: The Associated Press: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    Obama's approval/confidence numbers are plunging among whites, white independents, women, the young, and even liberals.

    The question remains... Can he win reelection in 2012 without significant upturns in the economy/job sector/debt controls?

    I don't think so.
    Obama is a great campaigner with absolutely no integrity, His bread and butter will be a negative campaign. The continuance of a 9-10% unemployment and anemic (nonexistent) growth this time next year then Obama is history no matter who he is running against.

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    A classic quote from Louisiana's oft-reelected criminal, Edwin Edwards: "the only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with a dead hooker or a live boy."

    That would apply to Obama if Perry wins the Republican nomination.

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Obama is a great campaigner with absolutely no integrity, His bread and butter will be a negative campaign. The continuance of a 9-10% unemployment and anemic (nonexistent) growth this time next year then Obama is history no matter who he is running against.
    Half of the race is Obama - the other half is the Republican nominee. And their record will be part of that as it rightfully should be.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    This time we have to disagree haymarket, its not about the partisans left or right, we know how they will vote....obama has lost the moderates that won the election for him last time...thats my opinion anyway.
    I don't think we totally disagree lpast. I agree that many moderates have deserted Obama - but I feel that many of them also feel betrayed for the reasons I laid out and are not as quick to make allowances or forgive him as the left might be when they consider the alternatives. I had dinner last night with friends who are moderate Dems - and of the four, three were upset and down on Obama. One woman uttered the opinion that she was just tired of him saying one thing and then doing the opposite. And he did both in the two incidents I referred to.

    I would add that some moderates have turned on him because he cannot do much with the economy. That is also a reality.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Half of the race is Obama - the other half is the Republican nominee. And their record will be part of that as it rightfully should be.
    Let me ask you this....Do you think Obama is guilty of over selling his ability to improve jobs creation???

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    There are indications that the housing market is going to descend further according to a few articles I've read. Doing home searches for our upcoming purchase has been disheartening, to say the least. Local projections for my area already have houses valued 1/3-1/2 lower than they were 4 years ago by the end of next year. Homes for sale are mostly foreclosures, many in need of significant repairs...or homes for sale at their 2007 values. Those high-priced homes have been on the market for months or even years.

    The loan options available for the foreclosed homes or homes in need of repair require lower DPs and have looser credit requirements, but those loans aren't well known to the average buyer.

    If the housing market continues to drop off economic recovery will probably struggle as well. I'm not sure what can be done in 14 months to turn things around so significantly as to show marked improvement without simultaneously overspending at a point when the country's financial position is precarious.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    People simply thought Carter wasn't up to the task.
    Looking at the poll numbers, critical voting segments are now having similar misgivings about Obama.

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