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53 Dead in Attack on Casino in Northern Mexico

Where exactly are the areas of Mexico that have not had problems with cartels and violence over the past few years? Because the last time I saw a map of the various cartels' territory, there wasn't a single Mexican acre that wasn't in cartel territory.


"Monterrey (Spanish pronunciation: [monteˈrei] ( listen)), is the capital city of the northeastern Mexican state of Nuevo León.[1] The city is anchor to the third-largest metropolitan area in Mexico[2][3] and is the ninth-largest city in Mexico. Monterrey serves as a commercial center in the north of the country and is the base of many significant international corporations.[4] Until recently, the city had long been regarded as the safest in Mexico and one of the safest in Latin America.[4] Furthermore Monterrey is Mexico's second richest city, and the worlds 63rd richest, with an economy that had a 2008 GDP of USD $102 billion.[5] Monterrey is one of Mexico's most developed cities with the highest per capita income in the nation and is regarded as a highly developed city"

Monterrey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Yeah, the overall tone of this thread is a little puzzling. The murder/tragedy did not happen in some remote corner of Mexico. It was a popular casino in Monterrey. Used to love going down to the Yucatan for getaways. Currently think it would qualify as "not the best idea" going anywhere in that country at this time.
 
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*insert picture of large iron here* :roll:

I hear Bush was responsible for 9/11, oh wait bad analogy he was warned personally. :doh

hahah.. How would anybody try to blame this on Obama or Bush? It happened in a foreign country. :doh:
 
hahah.. How would anybody try to blame this on Obama or Bush? It happened in a foreign country. :doh:
LOL..ah very astute of you, we will have to put a recommendation in for you to be considered as the CEO of NPR;)
 
Good grief. You are in Idaho. Get a grip.

I am more concerned about the hurricane. The Canadian boarder isn't a problem. There are some Americans running across it for free healthcare though.
 
I don't understand why they would randomly kill people like that. They sell drugs, why is a massacre necessary for their business?

They wouldn't. This was not a random terrorist act. It most likely had something to do with the casino not dealing with the cartel that committed the act, or perhaps with them dealing with the opposing cartel. It was a show of force, a "better play with us, or this is what happens to you" sort of a thing.
 
Unlimited illegal immigration invasions make EVERY town a border town

lol.... It's really not a problem in here. Believe me, the northeast would never try to create a controversial law like Arizona did. Besides, once they come here and see what a blizzard is like they'll probably head back south.
 
I think a story that pertains to drug cartels that exist because of our government and that own high-powered weapons because of our government is slightly political.
I think blaming the existence of drug cartels and their ownership of weapons on the US government is beyond stretching things.
 
Ive hear the same thing. And Im not sure we should do about it. Make that crappy area a part of the US? Before that I would legalize weed. I dont like pot but this seems to solve problems.

I agree. I think we should start legalizing some drugs, and end the drug war.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059758945 said:
Your reading comprehension skills are way off today.
Hmmm...perhaps. You WERENT suggesting that the president and BATF are responsible for the deaths of 53 people? You werent suggesting it is appropriate to consider the blame for the deaths of 53 people on the ATF policy?
 
As for violence being south of the border only, very wrong. The numbers of kidnappings that make Phoenix AZ 2nd in the world are perpetrated by illegal Aliens and Drug Cartels.

Crimes in places like San Diego, L.A. take place all the time but because they are Sanctuary Cityies that refuse to enforce the Laws on the books,

For those who think all the Violence is on the Border, guess again. The following headlines are from Aug, 14th until the 21rst, that's 8 days and I just picked a few and there are plenty more.

Mayor Kidnapped Near Mexico City Found Dead

Five headless bodies found in Acapulco

9 Bodies found on a highway in western Mexico

Attacks on Taxi Drivers, Buses in Mexican Resort City Leave 13 Dead

Gunmen kill 5 in Mexican Pacific resort city

11 people slain in Acapulco, Mexico

The vast majority of people killed are innocent civilians and used to send the message that the Cartels are in charge.

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I know people in Arizona, and they have said, as others here, they only kidnap Mexican American people. They kidnap people they can extort, and people associated with the cartels. They basically leave American born, non anchor baby having folks alone. The people in know in AZ don't worry about being kidnapped.
 
Yes, of course. Over 50 people are murdered by Mexican gangsters in Mexican casino and its Washington's fault.

I hold Joe Biden responsible myself.

I hold the Easter bunny responsible.
 
I agree. I think we should start legalizing some drugs, and end the drug war.

Sure. That would end the age of innocent people being killed and let those who want to do drugs do so where they can be of least harm to their fellow citizens.

That would allow Darwin's Theory to take effect and stupid people would be gradually winnowed out of the survival process. The more intelligent people (i'e. non drug users) would then go forth and multiply with a bit more security for themselves and their families. Drug runners would be forced to seek alternative employment, perhaps delivering them on a bicycle, and become useful members of society. Over the long term this could only be good for the human species.
 
Hmmm...perhaps. You WERENT suggesting that the president and BATF are responsible for the deaths of 53 people? You werent suggesting it is appropriate to consider the blame for the deaths of 53 people on the ATF policy?

This what I wrote that you responded to:

He (Calderon) can directly blame the BATFE and Eric Holder, in other words, the US Government, for some of it, i.e. Operation Fast and Furious.

So maybe your reading comprehension skills aren't just off, but need a tune up instead.

Operation Fast and Furious Linked to Death of Mexican Attorney - Forbes

House Panel Slams 'Fast And Furious' Gun Operation Tied To Border Agent's Death | FoxNews.com

U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and Mexican attorney, Mario Gonzalez Rodriguez were murder victims as a result of the US Government's operation, Fast and Furious. If the Government hadn't cleared the way for those those guns to be sold to the the drug cartels, there would be no blood on their hands. So wouldn't that make the BATFE and the those who knew about the operation all the way up to Holder/Obama, accessory to murder?

http://grassley.senate.gov/judiciary/upload/ATF-07-26-11-Report-on-Impact-on-Mexico-2.pdf

The Department of Justice, and more specifically, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, clearly knew about Operation Fast and Furious.

If Lanny Brewer knew about it, Holder knew about it. If Holder knew about it, don't you think Obama knew about it?

There are current reports that up to 59 people have been murdered as a result of guns the US Government supplied to Mexican Drug Cartels.

ATF Death Watch 59: Confirmed: ATF Operation Fast and Furious Armed Sinaloa Cartel | The Truth About Guns

The botched surveillance operation has led to the deaths of American and Mexican citizens. It is yet another in a long litany of failed attempts at outwitting and outgunning the drug cartels, though admittedly outgunning becomes hard to do when the US government is directly supplying the cartels with AK-47’s.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1059759101 said:
This what I wrote that you responded to:



So maybe your reading comprehension skills aren't just off, but need a tune up instead.

Operation Fast and Furious Linked to Death of Mexican Attorney - Forbes

House Panel Slams 'Fast And Furious' Gun Operation Tied To Border Agent's Death | FoxNews.com

U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and Mexican attorney, Mario Gonzalez Rodriguez were murder victims as a result of the US Government's operation, Fast and Furious. If the Government hadn't sold those guns to the drug cartels, there would be no blood on their hands. So wouldn't that make the BATFE and the those who knew about the operation all the way up to Holder/Obama, accessory to murder?

http://grassley.senate.gov/judiciary/upload/ATF-07-26-11-Report-on-Impact-on-Mexico-2.pdf



If Lanny Brewer knew about it, Holder knew about it. If Holder knew about it, don't you think Obama knew about it?

There are current reports that up to 59 people have been murdered as a result of guns the US Government supplied to Mexican Drug Cartels.

ATF Death Watch 59: Confirmed: ATF Operation Fast and Furious Armed Sinaloa Cartel | The Truth About Guns
Oh I hear ya. I even comprehend just fine. You have the same mindset of those people that think those poor criminals in America wouldnt kill people if it wasnt for gun manufacturers. And this attack on the casino...those people were killed by the guns the ATF foolishly sold in Operation Fast and Furious?
 
I know people in Arizona, and they have said, as others here, they only kidnap Mexican American people. They kidnap people they can extort, and people associated with the cartels. They basically leave American born, non anchor baby having folks alone. The people in know in AZ don't worry about being kidnapped.
So you are Ok with kidnapping torture and murder in your country as long as it doesn’t affect you huh. Amazing!
 
Oh I hear ya. I even comprehend just fine. You have the same mindset of those people that think those poor criminals in America wouldnt kill people if it wasnt for gun manufacturers. And this attack on the casino...those people were killed by the guns the ATF foolishly sold in Operation Fast and Furious?

I never commented on the casino attack. I responded to the frustration Calderon must be feeling as a result of the Mexican drug cartel violence and that he should take some of the heat for being obviously less than competent.

I have mostly pointed out what happened as a result of the government's Fast and Furious operation; guns sent to Mexico as a direct result of the US Government's desire to get them to drug cartels. What part of that is not true?

Why can't you comprehend that?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059759188 said:
I never commented on the casino attack. I responded to the frustration Calderon must be feeling as a result of the Mexican drug cartel violence and that he should take some of the heat for being obviously less than competent.

I have mostly pointed out what happened as a result of the government's Fast and Furious operation; guns sent to Mexico as a direct result of the US Government's desire to get them to drug cartels. What part of that is not true?

Why can't you comprehend that?
And as I said in the post you felt the need to jump in on...your position is completely irrelevant to the thread and OP. Reeading a headline about 53 dead in a casino in mejico and automatically blaming it on Obama and the ATF is foolishness. Why cant you comprehend that?
 
I'd go to Mexico again in a heartbeat. The scariest thing there is the way the cab drivers drive. :rofl

Just smack him on the back of the head and tell him to slow down.

Worst drivers in Mexico.

Bus drivers
Taxi drivers
Police officers.

The bus drivers are first only because they endanger more lives at one time.
 
Where exactly are the areas of Mexico that have not had problems with cartels and violence over the past few years? Because the last time I saw a map of the various cartels' territory, there wasn't a single Mexican acre that wasn't in cartel territory.

You are right but it is Los Zetas that are out of control.

Most other areas that are controlled by other cartels don't bother innocents.

This attack happened in Monterrey which is the heart of their territory.

You would have to be crazy to go anywhere near there.

A buddy of mine who lives in Sinaloa, went to that area. He was scared to death and cut his trip short by 2 weeks.

In Sinaloa, things are under control, even though there is one of the biggest cartels there. They kill each other and there are very few problems with the killing of innocents randomly.
 
As for violence being south of the border only, very wrong. The numbers of kidnappings that make Phoenix AZ 2nd in the world are perpetrated by illegal Aliens and Drug Cartels.

Crimes in places like San Diego, L.A. take place all the time but because they are Sanctuary Cityies that refuse to enforce the Laws on the books,

For those who think all the Violence is on the Border, guess again. The following headlines are from Aug, 14th until the 21rst, that's 8 days and I just picked a few and there are plenty more.

Mayor Kidnapped Near Mexico City Found Dead

Five headless bodies found in Acapulco

9 Bodies found on a highway in western Mexico

Attacks on Taxi Drivers, Buses in Mexican Resort City Leave 13 Dead

Gunmen kill 5 in Mexican Pacific resort city

11 people slain in Acapulco, Mexico

The vast majority of people killed are innocent civilians and used to send the message that the Cartels are in charge.

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Your last statement is not true.

Most of the people killed were connected to the cartel in one way or another. You can research it if you are in doubt.

Los Zetas kill innocents and they are in the norhern part of the country.

Yes there is violence everywhere but normal people don't have to worry about walking down the street in most places.
 
I'd rather live my life than stay bunkered down in my panic room. I don't take unnecessary risks. I'd rather visit Cancun over Gary, IN.

Cancun has its problems too.

Like the hurricane that just passed.

They get hit by bad waether pretty regularly.
 
And as I said in the post you felt the need to jump in on...your position is completely irrelevant to the thread and OP. Reeading a headline about 53 dead in a casino in mejico and automatically blaming it on Obama and the ATF is foolishness. Why cant you comprehend that?

Your first was post in this thread was clearly made without consideration for rational thought, that's why I responded.

So you can't make a connection to Calderon blaming the USA for the casino deaths and the BATFE intentionally allowing guns to be transported across the US border to Mexico to be used by violent drug cartels?

Apparently not...
 
I don't understand why they would randomly kill people like that. They sell drugs, why is a massacre necessary for their business?

It is never random.

They were after somebody and the others got on the way.

Los Zetas don't care who they kill.
 
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