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53 Dead in Attack on Casino in Northern Mexico

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When I saw this story my first thought was, "I wonder if these gun toting cartel members got any of there guns from the ATF sale of about 2,000 assault rifles."

What is really amazing to me is that I see and hear ads for Mexican vacations on TV and Radio.

How stupid it that. There is no way in hell I would cross the border for any reason.

I under stand that in 2010 over 34,000 people were killed by the drug cartels in Mexico.

They also love to kidnap Americans.

So do you think it's a good idea to go there?

How Thousands Of U.S. Guns Fuel Crime In Mexico : NPR
MONTERREY – Two dozen gunmen burst into a casino in northern Mexico on Thursday, doused it with gasoline and started a fire that trapped gamblers inside, killing 53 people and injuring a dozen more, authorities said.The fire at the Casino Royale in Monterrey, a city that has seen a surge in drug cartel-related violence, represented one of the deadliest attacks on an entertainment center in Mexico since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against drug cartels in late 2006.
"This is a night of sadness for Mexico," federal security spokesman Alejandro Poire said in a televised address. "These unspeakable acts of terror will not go unpunished."
 
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The violence isn't everywhere in Mexico. This is like someone from Germany saying that they would never go to New York because of gang violence in East LA.
 
When I saw this story my first thought was, "I wonder if these gun toting cartel members got any of there guns from the ATF sale of about 2,000 assault rifles."

What is really amazing to me is that I see and hear ads for Mexican vacations on TV and Radio.

How stupid it that. There is no way in hell I would cross the border for any reason.

I under stand that in 2010 over 34,000 people were killed by the drug cartels in Mexico.

They also love to kidnap Americans.

So do you think it's a good idea to go there?
How sad is it that THAT was your "first thought"? In the wake of a tragedy you went to politics. Geeeezus.
 
When I saw this story my first thought was, "I wonder if these gun toting cartel members got any of there guns from the ATF sale of about 2,000 assault rifles."

What is really amazing to me is that I see and hear ads for Mexican vacations on TV and Radio.

How stupid it that. There is no way in hell I would cross the border for any reason.

I under stand that in 2010 over 34,000 people were killed by the drug cartels in Mexico.

They also love to kidnap Americans.

So do you think it's a good idea to go there?

I go several times a year: Puerto Peñasco, Baja, San Felipe and or Puerto Vallarta. The kidnapping of Americans is media BS. And when they do kidnap Americans it is usually naturalized Mexican-Americans. Therefore if you aren't a naturalized Mexican American, you aren't walking around flaunting you money, you use a bit of common sense and street smart you'll be fine and the good people of Mexico will be as gracious and welcoming as always.
 
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How sad is it that THAT was your "first thought"? In the wake of a tragedy you went to politics. Geeeezus.
Why is the Fast and Furious operation a political issue? Did Obama personally order the sales to go through? :roll:

I would think it would be a law enforcement issue.

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I travel to Mexico several times a year on business, but mostly stay in the resorts. No problems there, and most of the violence thus far has been away from the tourism industry. My guess is that the cartels KNOW that if they start messing with the tourism then the Mexican Gov't would have no choice but to declare all out war on them. I think it's a tacit peace they have between them..

Tim-
 
The violence isn't everywhere in Mexico. This is like someone from Germany saying that they would never go to New York because of gang violence in East LA.

Considering the incredibly large difference in the sizes of these two countries/areas, that's a pretty bad analogy.
 
So do you think it's a good idea to go there?

I'd go to Mexico again in a heartbeat. The scariest thing there is the way the cab drivers drive. :rofl
 
Why is the Fast and Furious operation a political issue? Did Obama personally order the sales to go through? :roll:

I would think it would be a law enforcement issue.

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Typically...presidents get responsibility for things that happen on their watch. This president doesnt. That is irrelevant to the OP.
 
I travel to Mexico several times a year on business, but mostly stay in the resorts. No problems there, and most of the violence thus far has been away from the tourism industry. My guess is that the cartels KNOW that if they start messing with the tourism then the Mexican Gov't would have no choice but to declare all out war on them. I think it's a tacit peace they have between them..

Tim-

Both cartels and Mexican gov *leech* off tourism. You don't mess your bread and butter

Outside its good vs evil, but in the inside, they are both cut from the same cloth
 
Why is the Fast and Furious operation a political issue? Did Obama personally order the sales to go through? :roll:

I would think it would be a law enforcement issue.

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The knowledge of the operational plan went all the way to Eric Holder and most likely Obama. It's a White House issue, which makes it a political issue.
 
When I saw this story my first thought was, "I wonder if these gun toting cartel members got any of there guns from the ATF sale of about 2,000 assault rifles."

How sad is it that THAT was your "first thought"? In the wake of a tragedy you went to politics. Geeeezus.

Could U.S. politics have been an accessory to the tragedy?

What was your first thought after hearing about 911?

Maybe who did it?

So who's really politicizing this?
 
The violence isn't everywhere in Mexico. This is like someone from Germany saying that they would never go to New York because of gang violence in East LA.

Where exactly are the areas of Mexico that have not had problems with cartels and violence over the past few years? Because the last time I saw a map of the various cartels' territory, there wasn't a single Mexican acre that wasn't in cartel territory.
 
How sad is it that THAT was your "first thought"? In the wake of a tragedy you went to politics. Geeeezus.

Typically...presidents get responsibility for things that happen on their watch. This president doesnt. That is irrelevant to the OP.

*insert picture of large iron here* :roll:

I hear Bush was responsible for 9/11, oh wait bad analogy he was warned personally. :doh
 
When I saw this story my first thought was, "I wonder if these gun toting cartel members got any of there guns from the ATF sale of about 2,000 assault rifles."

What is really amazing to me is that I see and hear ads for Mexican vacations on TV and Radio.

How stupid it that. There is no way in hell I would cross the border for any reason.

I under stand that in 2010 over 34,000 people were killed by the drug cartels in Mexico.

They also love to kidnap Americans.

So do you think it's a good idea to go there?

If we don't secure are borders this will spill over here and soon.
 
Where exactly are the areas of Mexico that have not had problems with cartels and violence over the past few years? Because the last time I saw a map of the various cartels' territory, there wasn't a single Mexican acre that wasn't in cartel territory.

Off the top of my head there's been no problem to speak of in Ajijic, Hautulco, Mismaloya, Yelapa, San Filipe and I don't recall anything of note in San Miguel de Allende. I plan to be in Guanajuato later this year and I am very much looking forward to it.
 
When I saw this story my first thought was, "I wonder if these gun toting cartel members got any of there guns from the ATF sale of about 2,000 assault rifles."

What is really amazing to me is that I see and hear ads for Mexican vacations on TV and Radio.

How stupid it that. There is no way in hell I would cross the border for any reason.

I under stand that in 2010 over 34,000 people were killed by the drug cartels in Mexico.

They also love to kidnap Americans.

So do you think it's a good idea to go there?

If it's Cancun as opposed to Ciudad Juarez, then yes.
 
I go several times a year: Puerto Peñasco, Baja, San Felipe and or Puerto Vallarta. The kidnapping of Americans is media BS. And when they do kidnap Americans it is usually naturalized Mexican-Americans. Therefore if you aren't a naturalized Mexican American, you aren't walking around flaunting you money, you use a bit of common sense and street smart you'll be fine and the good people of Mexico will be as gracious and welcoming as always.

Yeah ahhhhh.... you keep going there. Im going fishing in Minnesota. ;)
 
I remember watching a documentary a year or so ago. The locals on the US side were quite upset and pointed across the border into Mexico. The camera pans that way. You can see billowing black smoke in the distance and hear gunfire. Cartel warfare in a Mexican town.
 
I remember watching a documentary a year or so ago. The locals on the US side were quite upset and pointed across the border into Mexico. The camera pans that way. You can see billowing black smoke in the distance and hear gunfire. Cartel warfare in a Mexican town.

Ive hear the same thing. And Im not sure we should do about it. Make that crappy area a part of the US? Before that I would legalize weed. I dont like pot but this seems to solve problems.
 
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The knowledge of the operational plan went all the way to Eric Holder and most likely Obama. It's a White House issue, which makes it a political issue.
I had not heard that. Could you please post your proof that Holder or Obama knew of it in advance?

Thx, I'm looking forward to reading your information.

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