• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Hurricane Irene: looking Like Major Disaster for Northeast

American said:
You don't care about Americans, so don't pretend to. The damages are nothing compared to other hurricanes, and the $billions won't be yours will they, foreigner.
Click to expand...

Good Lord, you are actually trying to mimic Sarah Palin and play the "Real American" card?

How so pathetically right wing radio of you.
 
Fiddytree said:
I'm glad the east coast media outlets decided that this was more important than anything else. As soon as anything resembling bad weather starts happening to them, it is big news. When bad weather doesn't happen to them, expect less coverage and we should shut up and listen to more important things, like who married who this week.
Click to expand...

I know, it's like if it doesn't affect the north east, it hasn't happened. Brian Williams was talking about the widespread destruction in the northeast (i.e. D.C and NY) when Irene hadn't even reached NY yet, saying it stretched all the way down to North Carolina. I was thinking, you stupid jerk, Irene hit NC full force as a hurricane long before a 'tropical storm' hit NY.
 
Yeah, and somehow in that 48 hours of wall-to-wall coverage they failed to mention the Bahamas, which actually DID get wiped out by the storm.
 
AdamT said:
Second post in this thread:

"Doesn't seem like it should be a huge problem for the NE. It's supposed to be down to a weak Cat 1 storm by then, at most. If it drags along the VA/MD shore it'll probably just be a tropical storm. Hopefully....

Outer banks should get a nice blow, though. Sure glad it missed S. Fla."

Just sayin'.... ;)
Click to expand...

People focusing on its Hurricane classification is the inherent problem with this storm. The classification is about windspeed not about the amount of rain it will drop. It is a slow-moving massive storm that will drop a lot of water and cause flooding in densely populated areas. The danger is that people underestimate its deadliness because its only a class 1.
 
upsideguy said:
People focusing on its Hurricane classification is the inherent problem with this storm. The classification is about windspeed not about the amount of rain it will drop. It is a slow-moving massive storm that will drop a lot of water and cause flooding in densely populated areas. The danger is that people underestimate its deadliness because its only a class 1.
Click to expand...

Not even a Cat 1, but yeah, rain is obviously a big issue, too. Not as big an issue as having the roof of your house ripped off and being without power for the better part of a month, but still a big issue.
 
mbig said:
No question it was Less than expected for the Major cities.
Calling Good fortune/Better than could be predicted by the best experts everywhere "hype" tho... is spin.

Perhaps one factor, instead bouncing easily off Hateras, it went a little further into/onshore NC and VA and that took some steam out.
Hitting those states perhaps a little worse than expected.

Tonight tho, over 6 million people and businesses are without power.
and ie,

Raging Waters in Vermont from Hurricane Irene
Raging Waters in Vermont from Hurricane Irene
Terrible Flash Flooding in Vermont
Storified by The Weather Channel, 57 minutes ago

Hurricane Irene has produced tremendous rainfall over parts of the state of Vermont creating record flooding of rivers in the state.
The Raging rivers have led to Major Destruction for several towns and communities Including Wilmington, Ludlow, Brattleboro and Rutland.

"Wilmington (Vt) is Destroyed"
khjt8bjpj:iphone
h43g6cnj:iphone



"Vermont is in the process of being Devastated" (FOX News, shepard smith)
gyjjeuduj:iphone



"Downtown Brattleboro in Vermont"
6csdid



@weatherchanne @jimcantore Route 100 in Vermont near @mountsnow yfrog Photo : [url]http://yfrog.com/kj4i8mlj Shared by madriverfish[/url] Wilmington, Wardsboro, Dover all under water
kj4i8mlj:iphone


More:
Pics
Vids
Pics
Vids
etc
Hammered.
Click to expand...

Officials consider flooding Vermont's capital - CBS News

(AP) MONTPELIER, Vt. - A raging river swept a woman away, officials told hundreds of people to leave their homes and a utility considered flooding the state's capital to save a dam after Tropical Storm Irene dumped torrential rain on Vermont on Sunday.

Parts of downtown Brattleboro and Bennington were under water, as were several smaller communities. Evacuations were ordered around the state and shelters filled up.

"It's pretty fierce. I've Never seen anything like it," said Michelle Guevin, who spoke from a Brattleboro restaurant after being evacuated from her home in the Williamsville section of Newfane. She said her house was high enough to be OK, but the fast-moving Rock River was washing out the road that runs by it.

The capital city issued an Ominous Warning to residents: "A Major Emergency is on the horizon in Montpelier and is already occurring in other communities in the region."
[......]
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
American said:
Oh? What do you know about riding out a hurricane or anything of the sort?
Click to expand...

How many hurricanes anyone has ridden out is irrelevant. Ride every hurricane out for all I care. Just don't fuss that the government isn't rescuing you if you choose not to heed the warning for a hurricane. Even better, don't make it a BS excuse to loot.
 
AdamT said:
Not even a Cat 1, but yeah, rain is obviously a big issue, too. Not as big an issue as having the roof of your house ripped off and being without power for the better part of a month, but still a big issue.
Click to expand...

Having the roof ripped off your house is a major calamity.... but, having the house swept away in a torrent river... well no roof + no house. The problem with 10" of rain in a mountainous area is that 10" of rain rapidly becomes a wall of water as it aggregates, concentrates and rushes from high altitude to low altitude. The real damage in this storm is occurring and will continue to occur in NH, VT and upstate NY.
 
American said:
Overblown, overhyped, storm. Didn't even knock out power where I live. Of course totally liberal weather forecasters. They're just a bunch of worrying ninnies.
Click to expand...

...so now the weatherman are liberal? Is there no end to the warped perceptions and persecution complexes of some? I guess the winds in front of a hurricane begin on the right and end up on the left, if that is what your saying (and of course at the rear-end, it goes from the left to the right)....

PS - you might ask the residents of Vermont if this thing was overblown and overhyped?
 
The Weathermen were Maoists, duh.
 
A pretty good New York Times article on how the computer models overestimated the strength of the wind. But this is the cool thing about science. When it gets things wrong, it looks at where it went wrong and corrects itself. When it gets things right, great. It's a self-refining process.

BTW, lost in the shuffle is the fact that weather experts guessed the storm's track almost perfectly.

American said:
Perfect Storm of Hype: Politicians, the media and the Hurricane Irene apocalypse that never was – Telegraph Blogs

Con-Ed says Lower Manhattan flooding less than expected | Reuters

Irene leaves few scars in New York - FT.com
Click to expand...

What are you trying to gain other than attention?
 
Phys251 said:
A pretty good New York Times article on how the computer models overestimated the strength of the wind. But this is the cool thing about science. When it gets things wrong, it looks at where it went wrong and corrects itself. When it gets things right, great. It's a self-refining process.

BTW, lost in the shuffle is the fact that weather experts guessed the storm's track almost perfectly.


What are you trying to gain other than attention?
Click to expand...
Thanks for giving it to me fool. But I didn't ask for attention. People were arguing that this hurricane wasn't overstated, and I posted articles that show it was. So they guess the track perfectly, so what?
 
upsideguy said:
...so now the weatherman are liberal? Is there no end to the warped perceptions and persecution complexes of some? I guess the winds in front of a hurricane begin on the right and end up on the left, if that is what your saying (and of course at the rear-end, it goes from the left to the right)....

PS - you might ask the residents of Vermont if this thing was overblown and overhyped?
Click to expand...

I lived through this hurricane and Isabel, WHILE YOUR ASS WAS SAFE IN DENVER, so don't preach to me about overblown.
 
American said:
Overblown, overhyped, storm. Didn't even knock out power where I live. Of course totally liberal weather forecasters. They're just a bunch of worrying ninnies.
Click to expand...

So, it's alright as long as you're okay? Twenty people are dead, but that's not a problem. Town are flooded, and almost two million people are without power. But that's fine, because your life wasn't inconvenienced at all. The only problems that actually exist are yours?

upsideguy said:
...so now the weatherman are liberal? Is there no end to the warped perceptions and persecution complexes of some? I guess the winds in front of a hurricane begin on the right and end up on the left, if that is what your saying (and of course at the rear-end, it goes from the left to the right)....
Click to expand...

Well, maybe weathermen are liberal. They care about other people, which seems at odds with the conservative mentality that American displays, which is basically "ME ME ME!! It's all about me!"
 
American said:
Thanks for giving it to me fool. But I didn't ask for attention. People were arguing that this hurricane wasn't overstated, and I posted articles that show it was. So they guess the track perfectly, so what?
Click to expand...

That's an awfully weak argument against the claim that you're just posting for attention here.

Paschendale said:
So, it's alright as long as you're okay? Twenty people are dead, but that's not a problem. Town are flooded, and almost two million people are without power. But that's fine, because your life wasn't inconvenienced at all. The only problems that actually exist are yours?



Well, maybe weathermen are liberal. They care about other people, which seems at odds with the conservative mentality that American displays, which is basically "ME ME ME!! It's all about me!"
Click to expand...

Considering that weathermen are one of the biggest group of climate-change deniers in America, I'd be hard-pressed to call them all "liberal."
 
It was a piddly cat 1 storm. It was never going to be a massive and tragic event.

I blame Katrina on the news coverage...... and the fact that New Yorkers are so self centered that the brunt of the storm can smash the Carolina coast while everyone can't stop talking about "OMG WHAT ABOUT NEW YORK AND THE 50MPH WINDS ITS GONNA GET?"
 
Caine said:
It was a piddly cat 1 storm. It was never going to be a massive and tragic event.

I blame Katrina on the news coverage...... and the fact that New Yorkers are so self centered that the brunt of the storm can smash the Carolina coast while everyone can't stop talking about "OMG WHAT ABOUT NEW YORK AND THE 50MPH WINDS ITS GONNA GET?"
Click to expand...

Really?? Tell that to the families of the 26 people that have died so far. I'll bet they think it was a pretty tragic event.
 
BWG said:
I know, it's like if it doesn't affect the north east, it hasn't happened. Brian Williams was talking about the widespread destruction in the northeast (i.e. D.C and NY) when Irene hadn't even reached NY yet, saying it stretched all the way down to North Carolina. I was thinking, you stupid jerk, Irene hit NC full force as a hurricane long before a 'tropical storm' hit NY.
Click to expand...

Well, I would say, with weather, if they don't see it, it's not important. I recall the multi-state flooding the past few months only really got attention for two reasons: 1) Glenn Beck exaggerated us for his "Leave it to Beaver" Americanism 2) Because some guy from ND was in the movie Transformers and said something about it, turning it into a human interest story for a couple days of minor proportions. Apparently, the only time the media notices something is if a celebrity from a crappy movie says something, or, more importantly the Reporter can proudly proclaim that we should care, because for the day, he or she cares (of course, they will forget about it in a couple days, because they can't see past their noses). I also recall several weak snow storms in, you guessed it, New York, getting attention because, golly gosh, you can see the snow flakes, and golly gosh, sometimes it becomes hard to see. But be damned if anything else is going on in the world but the journalists' world, because they don't give a damn.
 
Last edited:
Gill said:
Really?? Tell that to the families of the 26 people that have died so far. I'll bet they think it was a pretty tragic event.
Click to expand...

Anyone remember Hurricane Floyd?
 
Anyone remember Hurricane Katrina? More than 1800 killed. Oh, but those Gulf Coast folks were just a bunch of whiners....
 
AdamT said:
Anyone remember Hurricane Katrina? More than 1800 killed. Oh, but those Gulf Coast folks were just a bunch of whiners....
Click to expand...

That sort of thing is going to happen when you build a city below sea level.....

Case in point... The Galveston Hurricane.
 
23 people were killed and that is what we know so far so shut the hell up about it being overblown and overhyped! People have died, people are without power, trapped and suffering bigtime. Show some damn respect for those that were hit and are suffering and esp those that suffered losses:(
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom