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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So when the US did not sell military equipment to Taiwan in 2001 and 2006 due to Chinese pressure, it was due to political incompetence?
    Yeah people seem to be under the impression that pissing off one of your largest creditors is a GOOD THING.

    Just like everyone who's railing about this goes to the bank, and pisses on their loan consultants desk after taking out a line of credit

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Taiwan wants to BUY the weapons, not accept them as a gift. If you think supporting the U.S.'s allies in this region is not in the long-term interest of the United States, you have a serious case of ostrich-syndrome...
    So we're arms dealers now? Supporting allies? What the hell has Taiwan ever done for us? The only reason we're concerned is that they can get us in trouble with China. Allies, bah! That street goes two ways, and we don't get **** from Taiwan. Hell, all our companies out source to China proper; we don't even get slave labor from Taiwan.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yeah people seem to be under the impression that pissing off one of your largest creditors is a GOOD THING.

    Just like everyone who's railing about this goes to the bank, and pisses on their loan consultants desk after taking out a line of credit
    The problem is not that we piss off a creditor. It's that we owe them money in the first place.

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The problem is not that we piss off a creditor. It's that we owe them money in the first place.
    We can agree on that 1Perry... but that doesn't change the reality of the situation and the fact of the relationship between the United States and China.

    Suez Crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And just like what you guys did to Britain during the Suez Canal Crisis, in response to your disagreements on British and French involvement and the threat of soviet intervention, they could technically do the same thing...

    The United States also put financial pressure on Great Britain to end the invasion. Because the Bank of England had lost $50 million (US) between 30 October and 2 November, and England's oil supply had been damaged by the closing of the Suez Canal, the British sought immediate assistance from the IMF, but it was denied by the United States. Eisenhower in fact ordered his Secretary of the Treasury, George M. Humphrey, to prepare to sell part of the US Government's Sterling Bond holdings. The US Government held these bonds in part to aid post war Britainís economy (during the Cold War), and as partial payment of Britainís enormous World War II debt to the US Government, American corporations, and individuals. It was also part of the overall effort of Marshall Plan aid, in the rebuilding of the Western European economies.

    Britain's then Chancellor of the Exchequer, Harold Macmillan, advised his Prime Minister, Anthony Eden, that the United States was fully prepared to carry out this threat. He also warned his Prime Minister that Britain's foreign exchange reserves simply could not sustain the devaluation of the pound that would come after the United States' actions; and that within weeks of such a move, the country would be unable to import the food and energy supplies needed simply to sustain the population on the islands. However, there were suspicions in the Cabinet that Macmillan had deliberately overstated the financial situation in order to force Eden out. What Treasury officials had told Macmillan was far less serious than the version he told to the Cabinet.[299]

    In concert with U.S. actions Saudi Arabia started an oil embargo against Britain and France. The U.S. refused to fill the gap until Britain and France agreed to a rapid withdrawal. The other NATO members refused to sell oil they received from Arab nations to Britain or France.[300]

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why? Taiwan should take care of itself. Do we really want to get in it with China over Taiwan?
    Well, yes you have a point, but where are they suppose to buy their weapons from?
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
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    Few people think Obama will approve the sale. Congress has to check the President on this and ensure the sale goes ahead. With China continuing to moderinze its military, Taiwan needs a credible defense.
    I do not think we should sell,lease or give away military vehicles and weapons to any country. Friends and allies have a funny way of turning into enemies and then somewhere down the road use that stuff against us or give or sell those things to someone who will use those things against us.
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Just hopping in at the end, I was under the impression that Obama pushed through a $6Bn arms deal last year or so? Or shall I say giveaway package of some sort.

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well, yes you have a point, but where are they suppose to buy their weapons from?
    Why do we need to sell weapons? It's a shady business being the arms dealer of the world..
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why do we need to sell weapons?
    Profit for the companies that build them - like anythnig else.
    The government is involved only because of the national security issue.

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Profit for the companies that build them - like anythnig else.
    The government is involved only because of the national security issue.
    But we control weapon sales, companies cannot sell them on their own and defense companies already make a lot of money and enjoy quite a large amount of privilege due to their lot. This is not really a national security issue, well not OUR nation anyway. In fact, getting involved is more of a risk to our "national security" than not.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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