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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    So you aren't for free trade?
    With the wood stuck in our ass - no

    The Chinese have no qualms about using state sponsored intelligence agencies to steal trade secrets for their own industries; they have no qualms about state-sponsored cyber-terrorism, either.

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    China has no legal rights to Taiwan and it is clear that Taiwan's people want nothing to do with political union with China.
    If China has no legal rights to Taiwan, then Taiwan has no legal right to China and Mongolia. Yet, they still claim all of the Chinese mainland and a big chunk of Mongolia. Oh, and Taiwan too. They want unification, they just want it their way.


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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You're thinking like a western capitalist. Yes, they may share some of our values and motivations, but it is a trap to think that because we wouldn't go to war (with our mode of thinking and motivations) in their situation, they won't either.

    How nave are you?
    So the gold plated Infinitis (yes, they have them) and economic growth are just a grand ruse?


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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The Chinese have no qualms about using state sponsored intelligence agencies to steal trade secrets for their own industries; they have no qualms about state-sponsored cyber-terrorism, either.
    Neither do the Israelis. We still deal with them.


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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

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    Should we sell jet fighters to Iran?
    Not if it was up to me.

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's because those two have relatively healthy trade and diplomatic relations, and are not adversaries in the arena of global politics. Are you saying that if AQ knocked on our door asking for nuclear technology or fissile material, we should sell it to them?
    Nope, but we shouldn't allow China to dictate to us who we will or won't sell to.

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Nope, but we shouldn't allow China to dictate to us who we will or won't sell to.
    I agree, only the politically incompetent would do that.
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You're thinking like a western capitalist. Yes, they may share some of our values and motivations, but it is a trap to think that because we wouldn't go to war (with our mode of thinking and motivations) in their situation, they won't either.

    How nave are you?
    Of course, ric can think like those inscrutable, blood-thirsty Chinese.

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Nope, but we shouldn't allow China to dictate to us who we will or won't sell to.
    I agree. My point is though, that Taiwan is an ally, and that is why we sell to them. We don't sell to just anyone simply because they might be interested in our product.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I agree, only the politically incompetent would do that.
    So when the US did not sell military equipment to Taiwan in 2001 and 2006 due to Chinese pressure, it was due to political incompetence?
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