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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Should we sell jet fighters to Iran?
    You comparing Taiwan to Iran?
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Taiwanese do not want reunification (sic) with China. Taiwan is a democracy that generally respects human rights. China has no legal rights to Taiwan and it is clear that Taiwan's people want nothing to do with political union with China. Leave it to you to take the side of thugs... again...
    Even more surprising is how we continue to accept lopsided trade agreements with China, and purchase more and more of their goods (despite the many, many human rights abuses, misrepresentations and substitutions of trade goods, and so many other things that should persuade us not to)

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I suppose you aren't aware of the fact that relations between Taiwan and China are actually improving.
    Between the governments, yes. But the people of Taiwan are actually getting more and more distrustful of China and expasperated by the behavior and attitude of its people.
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    We're going to "get in it" with China eventually, and anyone that doesn't see that coming is fooling themselves. Sun Tzu would say, hit them when they're weak, not when they're strong..


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    China does not want to go to war with their best customer, and they don't want to destroy someone that owes them as much money as we do. Think about it for a second: they destroy the US, nobody buys their cheap crap, and they lose on their investments.

    They're not idiots.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Even more surprising is how we continue to accept lopsided trade agreements with China, and purchase more and more of their goods (despite the many, many human rights abuses, misrepresentations and substitutions of trade goods, and so many other things that should persuade us not to)
    So you aren't for free trade?
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Ahhh Taiwan's pro-China party wins 3 of 5 mayoral seats - International Business Times

    Tensions between the two countries have been easing due to increased trade and how China treats Hong Kong
    Which party got more combined votes in that election? Can you answer that?
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Should we sell jet fighters to Iran?
    I realize what you're trying to say, but when you brought this up it made me think of this:

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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Of course not but if someone comes knocking wanting to buy our products, we sell it to them. China would do the same. If Iran asks China for planes or nuclear technology, China is going to sell it to them. (or just give it to them).
    That's because those two have relatively healthy trade and diplomatic relations, and are not adversaries in the arena of global politics. Are you saying that if AQ knocked on our door asking for nuclear technology or fissile material, we should sell it to them?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    We're going to "get in it" with China eventually, and anyone that doesn't see that coming is fooling themselves. Sun Tzu would say, hit them when they're weak, not when they're strong..


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    He would also say the battle best won is the battle not fought (it might be war instead of battle)

    Another saying is that is it a poor leader that has to resort to fighting

    China has absolutely no strategic interests in attacking the US. Provided China is not prevented from buying materials on the open market through a US enforced blockade or embargo China will not have any interests served by attacking the US. The only possible exception would be in an attack on Taiwan, which would not be an attack to hurt the US but to gain control over what China considers to be part of China.
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    China does not want to go to war with their best customer, and they don't want to destroy someone that owes them as much money as we do. Think about it for a second: they destroy the US, nobody buys their cheap crap, and they lose on their investments.

    They're not idiots.
    You're thinking like a western capitalist. Yes, they may share some of our values and motivations, but it is a trap to think that because we wouldn't go to war (with our mode of thinking and motivations) in their situation, they won't either.

    How nave are you?

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