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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Of course not but if someone comes knocking wanting to buy our products, we sell it to them. China would do the same. If Iran asks China for planes or nuclear technology, China is going to sell it to them. (or just give it to them).
    Should we sell jet fighters to Iran?

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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why? Taiwan should take care of itself. Do we really want to get in it with China over Taiwan?
    China got US stealth secrets from Pakistan without regard to the US. So what's the big deal about selling the F-16's to Taiwan? It just creates more issues for China to deal with militarily in their own back yard.
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why? Taiwan should take care of itself. Do we really want to get in it with China over Taiwan?
    Taiwan wants to BUY the weapons, not accept them as a gift. If you think supporting the U.S.'s allies in this region is not in the long-term interest of the United States, you have a serious case of ostrich-syndrome...
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

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    Few people think Obama will approve the sale. Congress has to check the President on this and ensure the sale goes ahead. With China continuing to moderinze its military, Taiwan needs a credible defense.
    I suppose you aren't aware of the fact that relations between Taiwan and China are actually improving.
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Taiwan wants to BUY the weapons, not accept them as a gift. If you think supporting the U.S.'s allies in this region is not in the long-term interest of the United States, you have a serious case of ostrich-syndrome...
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Peaceful reunification with China is Taiwan's best option. Unless Taiwan gets nuclear weapons they will not be capable of stopping China in the event of invasion and war will only make Taiwan's future prospects upon reunification worse. Rather than arming a secessionist territory to prevent China from eroding American imperial power we should spend that money on more humanitarian purposes.
    Taiwanese do not want reunification (sic) with China. Taiwan is a democracy that generally respects human rights. China has no legal rights to Taiwan and it is clear that Taiwan's people want nothing to do with political union with China. Leave it to you to take the side of thugs... again...
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Taiwanese do not want reunification (sic) with China. Taiwan is a democracy that generally respects human rights. China has no legal rights to Taiwan and it is clear that Taiwan's people want nothing to do with political union with China. Leave it to you to take the side of thugs... again...
    Ahhh Taiwan's pro-China party wins 3 of 5 mayoral seats - International Business Times

    Tensions between the two countries have been easing due to increased trade and how China treats Hong Kong
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Congress cannot bypass the President on this.
    On what basis?
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I suppose you aren't aware of the fact that relations between Taiwan and China are actually improving.
    Yeah, but they're probably not THAT good yet.


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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
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    Few people think Obama will approve the sale. Congress has to check the President on this and ensure the sale goes ahead. With China continuing to moderinze its military, Taiwan needs a credible defense.
    I think he will, what's the indication that he won't?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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