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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by stsburns View Post
    So let me see if I got this right? We are canceling our order to build Joint Strike fights for our selves, but we are making new F-16's? Hmmm.... So our government's own Bonds are worthless, lets get back into the arms race!
    The F35 order is not being cancelled but reduced by a certain level. The costs of the F35 program have jumped drastically and with the numbers the US wants to buy the overall costs is extreme
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And just what IS the cost to the United States taxpayer?
    Quote Originally Posted by BBC article
    China has reacted angrily to a US deal to upgrade Taiwan's ageing fleet of US-built F-16 fighter planes.

    Vice-Foreign Minister Zhang Zhijun said the $5.85bn (3.77bn) deal would "inevitably undermine bilateral relations", including military and security co-operation.

    He also summoned US Ambassador Gary Locke to protest against the deal.
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    Except that there will NOT be new F-16s for Taiwan because Obama blocked the sale.

    And the Senate did not pass an amendment to push through the sale, the opposition seeming led (in part, at least) by John Kerry (D) of Massachusetts.

    There is still a small chance an amendment could be added to a defense appropriations bill, but I wouldn't bet on it.
    Thank you for bringing this new info into the discussion, Ludahai. The article you cite says the defeat was due to concerns about this being tacked onto a trade agreement bill and it will likely be brought up in a bill of its own.
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Depending on the US political situation I could see the F16s being released for sale in mid 2012
    What do you base that on? Hopefully, by then Taiwan will have a new president...
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    Thank you for bringing this new info into the discussion, Ludahai. The article you cite says the defeat was due to concerns about this being tacked onto a trade agreement bill and it will likely be brought up in a bill of its own.
    Obama would veto a bill that only focused on the arms package. It could still, more logically, be attached to an arms appropriation bill...
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    What do you base that on? Hopefully, by then Taiwan will have a new president...
    I base that one the US economy getting worse, and trade protectionism rising in the US being focused on China. Which would see providing F16 to Taiwan being a vote getter for politicians seeking to benifit from anti Chinese sentiments
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I base that one the US economy getting worse, and trade protectionism rising in the US being focused on China. Which would see providing F16 to Taiwan being a vote getter for politicians seeking to benifit from anti Chinese sentiments
    I hope you are right, but I am not holding my breath on that. 2013 seems more likely to me from the U.S. side...
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    Re: Senator: F-16 deal with Taiwan might bypass Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why? Taiwan should take care of itself. Do we really want to get in it with China over Taiwan?
    No we don't want to get into a fight with China, and that is why Taiwan needs to at the very least be able to be a speed bump.

    One thing Obama doesn't get, is that our allies are important to our future security, that includes Israel.

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