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Steve Jobs resigns.

More to the point, Apple is now making most of its profit from iPhone/iPad/iTunes -- not personal computers. MS has been much less successful outside of its core business.

That's not true. The iPhone, the iPad, and the Mac are making the most money for them. iTunes was an investment to drive customers to their hardware, as they have always been a hardware company in terms of business model. The Mac still does a lot of profit for them.

As for Steve, it's sad to see him leave the company's CEO post and see him in poor health.
 
Yea I was reading and pancreatic cancer is just about 100% fatal within a year. If he's had it more than a few months before telling anyone he won't see Christmas.

Damn, I can't imagine knowing you won't see another xmas. Of course, nobody on this forum is guaranteed another one.
 
That's not true. The iPhone, the iPad, and the Mac are making the most money for them. iTunes was an investment to drive customers to their hardware, as they have always been a hardware company in terms of business model. The Mac still does a lot of profit for them.

As for Steve, it's sad to see him leave the company's CEO post and see him in poor health.

Fair enough, but what I meant is that iTunes is a necessary part of iPhone/Pad/Pod. Obviously iTunes itself is free.
 
Fair enough, but what I meant is that iTunes is a necessary part of iPhone/Pad/Pod. Obviously iTunes itself is free.

iTunes music store/etc is built to be a loss leader. It took them years to break even with it.
 
Yea I was reading and pancreatic cancer is just about 100% fatal within a year. If he's had it more than a few months before telling anyone he won't see Christmas.

Damn, I can't imagine knowing you won't see another xmas. Of course, nobody on this forum is guaranteed another one.

He's a tough dude. He was diagnosed years ago.

He has said he has a rare and particularly non-aggressive type of pancreatic cancer. He had the tumor removed, said he was cancer-free a few years ago, and hasn't said anything about it since really.
 
Credit where credit is do: Jobs built the company from the start. He left and Apple came close to falling off the map. He came back and built it into the most valuable company in the world.
 
Yeah, he's been having some really serious stuff going on health-wise for nearly a decade. Those pics are pretty worrying - looks like wasting. He hasn't announced what his current health problem is, but wasting like that means it's no laughing matter.


Definitely looks like wasting syndrome. This paper says that "Cancer anorexia-cachexia syndrome
is a disorder associated with high morbidity and mortality..." Unfortunately I think he's not long for this world. :(
 
Profit and revenue are not the same thing.

That is certainly true. Was there any point to this or did you just have to meet your quota for stating the obvious?
 
That is certainly true. Was there any point to this or did you just have to meet your quota for stating the obvious?

Why, oh why, would I write something like that? Oh, I don't know, perhaps because you don't know the difference between the two:

Quote Originally Posted by AdamT
iTunes is projected to contribute $13 billion to Apple's profit by 2013, so it's not exactly a loss leader. Analyst: iTunes to boost Apple revenue by $13B in 2013
 
Why, oh why, would I write something like that? Oh, I don't know, perhaps because you don't know the difference between the two:

Quote Originally Posted by AdamT
iTunes is projected to contribute $13 billion to Apple's profit by 2013, so it's not exactly a loss leader. Analyst: iTunes to boost Apple revenue by $13B in 2013

So are you going to answer my question, or are you going to keep stating the obvious?
 
So are you going to answer my question, or are you going to keep stating the obvious?

Keep digging. The hole you're in doesn't look like it's deep enough yet. My you have some chutzpah for turning this onto me. A period of reflection might do you some good. Go back and reflect on what you have written, grasshopper, and the mystery shall become clear to you.

Wait a moment. When you said that I was stating the obvious, you must clearly have meant that you admit that you don't know the difference between the two concepts.
 
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Keep digging. The hole you're in doesn't look like it's deep enough yet. My you have some chutzpah for turning this onto me. A period of reflection might do you some good. Go back and reflect on what you have written, grasshopper, and the mystery shall become clear to you.

Wait a moment. When you said that I was stating the obvious, you must clearly have meant that you admit that you don't know the difference between the two concepts.

If you keep typeing for a million years we may be able to assemble your words into something that makes sense -- sort of like the million monkeys typing hypothesis.

iTunes generates considerable revenue and will be a significant profit engine in the coming years. Do you have any comment on that?
 
If you keep typeing for a million years we may be able to assemble your words into something that makes sense -- sort of like the million monkeys typing hypothesis.

iTunes generates considerable revenue and will be a significant profit engine in the coming years. Do you have any comment on that?

AdamT - if I may interject - RiverDad just pointed out your misstatement. You said that "iTunes is projected to contribute $13 billion to Apple's profit by 2013", but in fact iTunes is projected to contribute $13 billion in revenue (according to the analyst).

Profit = revenue - costs, so profit might only be something like $2 billion (or some other number, I don't know).

That's all.
 
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Oh ... dammit. Posting under the influence (PUI) again. Sorry, RiverDad ... again.
 
Really? For selling an overpriced computer with an under supported operating system and creating tablet PC's that do not use flashplayer, one of the most universally used players on the internet? But hey, I don't have to worry about a virus on my overpriced, undersupported OS! Yay!!! That was actually an issue back in 1996. But with the invention of the free antivirus program, that issue has been all but halted.

In December 2009, Microsoft had 90% of the personal computer market share. Oh yea, he did WONDERS for Apple. :roll:

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Actually, he's right: Jobs was an excellent CEO who was definitely worth his pay (if not more), because he made Apple extremely profitable. And that's what a good CEO is supposed to do.

And he did it by always successfully marketing his wares, albeit with a powerful reality distortion field. He created a cult where people bought Apple products not because they were technically better than the competition for their price (they never were), but because he created the impression that they were. This is identical to what politicians like rick perry or sarah palin do, and, of course, in dumbed down country like the US, it always works.

It's 100% true that Jobs never actually innovated in any area. He was merely a good copycat. He was 100000000000000% overrated in terms of innovation.

It's also true that Jobs was a scumbag. He bullied his employees early on, and outsourced the manufacturing of Apple products to Third World factories that treated workers like garbage, and didn't care.

But alas, being an effective entrepreneur and a decent individual and/or an innovator do not necessarily go hand and hand. Sinaloan cartel leader Joaquin Guzman Loera is one of the world's richest entrepreneurs, and he's not particularly known for his compassion.
 
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