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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You need to buy into less of the hype. Nothing would have been destroyed, we'd still be here, no one would have gone into bankruptcy if we didn't dig the hole deeper by increasing the debt we already cannot pay.
    No one would have gone into bankruptcy? What do you think it is when you say you won't pay your bills anymore? That IS bankruptcy.

    I mean, seriously, I know some portion of the right wing block in the house made a couple speeches claiming it wouldn't be a total disaster, but everybody who knows anything about anything, including most the Republicans, immediately denounced that as insane talk. Honestly I very much doubt any of them even believed it. They were just trying to come across as crazy enough to actually pull the trigger so that people would be scared enough of them to do what they said. They'd have to be beyond idiots to actually think that the US government can just refuse to pay for stuff it bought and everything is just peachy...

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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No one would have gone into bankruptcy? What do you think it is when you say you won't pay your bills anymore? That IS bankruptcy.
    Then we're in bankruptcy now and have been for years.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I mean, seriously, I know some portion of the right wing block in the house made a couple speeches claiming it wouldn't be a total disaster, but everybody who knows anything about anything, including most the Republicans, immediately denounced that as insane talk.
    So you're believing politicians who's job it is to lie? The problem is - you can't prove a negative right? You're going to tell me that such and such would have happened and disaster was averted because of this and that. Really? A hypothetical situation which never came to pass was averted thanks to our politicians.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Honestly I very much doubt any of them even believed it. They were just trying to come across as crazy enough to actually pull the trigger so that people would be scared enough of them to do what they said. They'd have to be beyond idiots to actually think that the US government can just refuse to pay for stuff it bought and everything is just peachy...
    I can't say whether or not they actually believed what they said or not, but I DO know that the world would have gone on had the debt ceiling bill not passed. The sun would have come up, people would have gone to work, babies would still cry, water would still flow, and the polar ice caps would still be there. The drama about this nonsense is insane and to continue using it as some anti tea party talking point is partisan tripe. You know better don't you?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Maxine Waters can go straight to muther****in hell! And she can take all the liberal trash with her. **** em and feed em fish heads, every last one of them.
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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Maxine Waters can go straight to muther****in hell! And she can take all the liberal trash with her. **** em and feed em fish heads, every last one of them.
    I don't like seafood though, and I gotta believe it's pretty scarce is hell.
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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Maxine Waters can go straight to muther****in hell! And she can take all the liberal trash with her. **** em and feed em fish heads, every last one of them.
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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Then we're in bankruptcy now and have been for years.
    What? No, we keep paying our bills... Not sure what you're talking about on this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you're believing politicians who's job it is to lie? The problem is - you can't prove a negative right? You're going to tell me that such and such would have happened and disaster was averted because of this and that. Really? A hypothetical situation which never came to pass was averted thanks to our politicians.
    You're trying to flip things here eh? You're the one believing politicians. A handful of politicians are the only source of the view that default wouldn't be a big deal. Every economist certainly said it would be a total disaster... Again, nobody except a handful of the tea party folks who obviously know nothing about anything claimed it wouldn't be a disaster. You were hoodwinked by a handful of wingnut politicians, don't try to put the "believing politicians" thing on me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I can't say whether or not they actually believed what they said or not, but I DO know that the world would have gone on had the debt ceiling bill not passed. The sun would have come up, people would have gone to work, babies would still cry, water would still flow, and the polar ice caps would still be there. The drama about this nonsense is insane and to continue using it as some anti tea party talking point is partisan tripe. You know better don't you?
    I think this is one of the pitfalls of the right wing notion of America as some kind of American exceptionalism... They seem to think that no matter what we do, we'll stay on top, so no need to bother keeping our education system strong, no need to give the poor a shot to get out of poverty, no need to spend on the safety net.... You guys are sure that'll all work itself out. After all, how could it not, USA #1! Now add paying our debts to that list of crucial foundations that you want to let fall apart... I got news for you man. We're not magical. If our education continues to suck, we stop honoring our debts, we continue to let the rich/poor gap explode, we keep cutting the safety net... Sooner or later, we're not going to be #1. And then we're not going to be top 5. And then someday we're not going to be first world. That's what happens when hegemogs get lazy Republican style.

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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, here we have it...The more civil tone....When Gov. Perry says something that liberals don't like the call is all about civility, yet Maxine Waters, the socialist can say whatever she wants.....Pure Allensky.

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    of course it is. the vast majority of these kinds of peoples' accusations is projection.


    however, stand by for alot more of this. in 2012 they know their only hope is to utterly smear Republicans.

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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No one would have gone into bankruptcy? What do you think it is when you say you won't pay your bills anymore? That IS bankruptcy.
    no. bankruptcy is when you can no longer pay your creditors. if we had to give up cowboy poetry festivals, the forestry service, and buying more fighter jets, that is not bankruptcy.


    now, obviously the effects of not raising the debt ceiling would have been exceedingly harmful in the short term. that's alot of devalued capital to reallocate. but it would not have been bankruptcy.

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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no. bankruptcy is when you can no longer pay your creditors. if we had to give up cowboy poetry festivals, the forestry service, and buying more fighter jets, that is not bankruptcy.

    now, obviously the effects of not raising the debt ceiling would have been exceedingly harmful in the short term. that's alot of devalued capital to reallocate. but it would not have been bankruptcy.
    Argh. This is so frustrating to me that still now folks on the right just are fundamentally mixing up what the default was about. It wasn't about cutting spending. Cutting spending would be a good thing. This wasn't that. This was money ALREADY SPENT that they were threatening not to pay the bills on. That is bankruptcy. It isn't like not getting a new credit card so you spend less, it is like buying a home and then refusing to pay the mortgage

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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You're right, one is capitalized and the other isn't.

    I don't know enough about it to disagree or agree. However, just plain observation of media outlets shows the messaging is quite tight in my view. I thought the "Journolist" scandal was quite interesting a few years ago showing just how tight and manipulative the messaging was.

    Can you give some examples? Again... I don't know enough about how ideological monolithic Republicans are or are not.

    I don't mind ideological people as long as they are honest about it. What I see and I certainly can say I'm affected by my own political bias, is that the right seems to be more honest about their views and less apologetic and willing to explain why they believe what they believe. Whether or not it's based on fact or not is a different story and there are those who are manipulative though a minority. What I see at least here on DP is the rigorous defense of all the beliefs and the dishonesty - manipulations, fabrications, hypocrisy. Again, this isn't ONLY on the left but it certainly is more prevalent and I would say in the majority. The excuses and passing off of responsibility especially by the newest members is astonishing. Almost, a concerted and organized effort - or seemingly so.
    Fixed the dumb typo.

    I'm not going to divert the thread but here's a quick reply.

    We all tend to see more of this on the other side than on "ours". Its a function of confirmation bias.

    The jourNOljst thing was an early, organized foray into this arena by the dems. They're following the Lackoff "school". Concentrating on "framing".

    There's a lot of literature. I'll PM you a list if you're interested.

    PRWatch and Sourcewatch are good resources. They're "left" but not exclusively, concentrating more on the industry than politics.

    There's even "Propaganda: The Game", from the sixties that would be fun to play here. Not in threads but AS threads.

    I think if people were aware how MUCH of this stuff we're constantly being subjected to, they would not be pleased. And I'm thoroughly convinced that its at the heart of the divide in this country right now.

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