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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Tactics never grow old. Sun Tzu's "Art of War" is so 1st century BC but it's still relevant and still read. Tactics don't go out of style, they're just modified.

    Dunno what you read, but here on DP, there's no indication to me Dems are way behind anything. The amount of spin, misinformation, outright lies and propaganda are staggering.
    Quantity is not the same as quality. Dem messaging is all over the place, and lacks 30 years of preparatory groundwork.

    Its in the monolithic uniformity of message, throughout the conservative media, that the Repubs have the Dems beat.

    The Dems aren't ideologically anywhere near as uniform as Republicans are in the first place. So it is more difficult to craft messages for them.

    I'm not going to argue with you when you point out Dem abuse of these methods. See the Schultz/Perry thread.

    I've been trying to get people to engage in deconstruction of deceptive persuasive messaging since I got here.

    Doesn't matter whose to me, as consideration of the subject itself is of great importance at this point in time.

    If nothing else it'll help people enjoy the upcoming CU election better. Cuz its gonna be EVARYWHERE!
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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Quantity is not the same as quantity.
    You're right, one is capitalized and the other isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Dem messaging is all over the place, and lacks 30 years of preparatory groundwork.
    I don't know enough about it to disagree or agree. However, just plain observation of media outlets shows the messaging is quite tight in my view. I thought the "Journolist" scandal was quite interesting a few years ago showing just how tight and manipulative the messaging was.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Its in the monolithic uniformity of message, throughout the conservative media, that the Repubs have the Dems beat.

    The Dems aren't ideologically anywhere near as uniform as Republicans are in the first place. So it is more difficult to craft messages for them.
    Can you give some examples? Again... I don't know enough about how ideological monolithic Republicans are or are not.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I'm not going to argue with you when you point out Dem abuse of these methods. See the Schultz/Perry thread.

    I've been trying to get people to engage in deconstruction of deceptive persuasive messaging since I got here.

    Doesn't matter whose to me, as consideration of the subject itself is of great importance at this point in time.

    If nothing else it'll help people enjoy the upcoming CU election better. Cuz its gonna be EVARYWHERE!
    I don't mind ideological people as long as they are honest about it. What I see and I certainly can say I'm affected by my own political bias, is that the right seems to be more honest about their views and less apologetic and willing to explain why they believe what they believe. Whether or not it's based on fact or not is a different story and there are those who are manipulative though a minority. What I see at least here on DP is the rigorous defense of all the beliefs and the dishonesty - manipulations, fabrications, hypocrisy. Again, this isn't ONLY on the left but it certainly is more prevalent and I would say in the majority. The excuses and passing off of responsibility especially by the newest members is astonishing. Almost, a concerted and organized effort - or seemingly so.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, here we have it...The more civil tone....When Gov. Perry says something that liberals don't like the call is all about civility, yet Maxine Waters, the socialist can say whatever she wants.....Pure Allensky.

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    I'm sure Maxine is very frustrated by the lack of assistance for her constituents from the Obama administration. I guess Joe Wilson was correct in more than one context.
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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    support your government representative ...

    throw a shoe

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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    I mean, the Democrats were pushing for a more civil dialog for a while, but the Republicans and especially the tea party, told them to go **** themselves over and over and over. How long were they supposed to keep asking nicely? Obviously the GOP and tea parties delegations are way beyond reason or civil discourse at this point. They filibuster their own bills sometimes now. They threatened to destroy the country if they didn't get their way. At this point I don't see how we could continue to try to be civil with them. At this point all that can be done is to remove them from power before they do more damage.

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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I mean, the Democrats were pushing for a more civil dialog for a while, but the Republicans and especially the tea party, told them to go **** themselves over and over and over. How long were they supposed to keep asking nicely? Obviously the GOP and tea parties delegations are way beyond reason or civil discourse at this point. They filibuster their own bills sometimes now. They threatened to destroy the country if they didn't get their way. At this point I don't see how we could continue to try to be civil with them. At this point all that can be done is to remove them from power before they do more damage.
    "They threatened to destroy the country"... you listening to yourself?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    "They threatened to destroy the country"... you listening to yourself?
    What do you mean? They threatened to force default. That is a declaration of bankruptcy... Yeah, that is threatening to destroy the country. I mean they didn't threaten to nuke the country, but about as close as you could possibly get to that in a political context.

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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    reminds one of "YOU LIE!", doesn't it?
    Maxine said "tea party can go to hell and I will help send them there" if a republican said something like that about a Dem it would be considered a death threat and there would be calls for him or her to resign.

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    Re: Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What do you mean? They threatened to force default. That is a declaration of bankruptcy... Yeah, that is threatening to destroy the country. I mean they didn't threaten to nuke the country, but about as close as you could possibly get to that in a political context.
    You need to buy into less of the hype. Nothing would have been destroyed, we'd still be here, no one would have gone into bankruptcy if we didn't dig the hole deeper by increasing the debt we already cannot pay.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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