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    Re: GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It was very very clear that the Republicans were not going to compromise on anything. Obama and Boehner had essentially agreed to a $4 trillion deficit reduction deal but Boehner couldn't get his own caucus to sign on.
    this is actually precisely the opposite of what happened. the Administration went to brief Senate Democrats - they blew up at the fact that tax increases were capped at 800 Bn, they insisted that the tax increases be floored at 1.2 Trillion, Obama tried to change the deal to reflect that demand at the last second, and Boehner walked.

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    Re: GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Reid passed the last federal budget in April 2009. Dems controlled the House, the Senate, and the White House for another 20 months.

    What were they waiting for ???
    the 2010 elections; Pelosi thought (probably accurately) that tying a massive spending number to Congressional Democrats would have severely hurt them in the mid-term. So, Congressional Democrats dicked over the nation (and broke the law, btw) in order to avoid having to admit to the American people how much money they were spending.

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    Re: GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    this is actually precisely the opposite of what happened. the Administration went to brief Senate Democrats - they blew up at the fact that tax increases were capped at 800 Bn, they insisted that the tax increases be floored at 1.2 Trillion, Obama tried to change the deal to reflect that demand at the last second, and Boehner walked.
    Not quite. Obama wanted the additional revenue but told Boehner that he would drop it if Boehner agreed to reduce cuts to Medicare. At the end of the day it was Boehner who refused to return the President's calls.

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    Re: GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually, all spending bill originate in the House, per the Constitution.

    The Republicans are the minority party because they are the majority in the House, while the Dems have the Senate and the White House.
    True, yet the Senate does mark up and submit changes back to the House. So in a way the Senate controlled by the Dems can still be a party of "no". Any budget bill must get through the House and Senate. It is very clear that the two parties have a differnt outlook on what is good for the country.
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    Re: GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    What is your point? Most everyone who ISNT a GOPer hates them. They are incompetent, hypocritical fools that seem to deep-six America when they hold office. (minus Ron Paul)
    You make libertarian extremists proud.
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    Re: GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you are confusing tax credits with tax cuts.
    Oh don't be so particular, both words start with 'c'.
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    Re: GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Not quite. Obama wanted the additional revenue but told Boehner that he would drop it if Boehner agreed to reduce cuts to Medicare. At the end of the day it was Boehner who refused to return the President's calls.
    Obama called to insist on a $1.2 Trillion floor for increased taxation. There never were any cuts to Medicare, though the way in which it grows was discussed at at least one point. After receiving Obama's call to insist on $1.2 Trillion as a floor instead of $800 Bn as a ceiling, Boehner decided negotiating directly with the White House wasn't going to produce any worthwhile results, as they were incapable of any kind of consistency.
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    Re: GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Obama called to insist on a $1.2 Trillion floor for increased taxation. There never were any cuts to Medicare, though the way in which it grows was discussed at at least one point. After receiving Obama's call to insist on $1.2 Trillion as a floor instead of $800 Bn as a ceiling, Boehner decided negotiating directly with the White House wasn't going to produce any worthwhile results, as they were incapable of any kind of consistency.
    Boehner had no idea why Obama was calling as he never gave him the courtesy of a return call. Boehner was never going to get any deal past his own caucus that included revenue hikes.

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